Tough Call on the High Seas
The video from the U.S Navy and the radio contact from the Iranians is not only disturbing, but somewhat common so I am told. I was aboard the USS Milius in the Persian Gulf for a week just prior to its missile launch to start the war in 2003 and also have spent time on the water with the USS Reagan and recently with the Lake Erie in the Pacific.
Each Captain told me, deciding when and if to engage is the toughest decision they have to make – especially in that region of the world (The Persian Gulf, Indian Ocean, Red Sea area), where they encounter smaller vessels all the time. Many are native fishermen with no radios and boats that barely float, but which could still possibly be a threat.
The Iranians also regularly send boats out to harrass our warships in an attempt to incite an incident. As one Captain told me, “If I fire on a boat and the people are innocent then it becomes an international incident and I have to answer to myself and my superiors. If I don’t and they hit us, then I have allowed my men, women and ship to be attacked. We are in a very touchy and difficult position.”
There are rules and regulations from the Navy and Pentagon for engagement, but Captains make the final determination on the front line. Here’s a picture I took as our helicopter approached the USS Milius in the Persian Gulf.

Yah adam….
thats why im not becoming a citzen …… i forsee my future in the states after highschool and im a patriot to so i will never ever join a foregin army ever !
Having spent 4 years in the Navy, all be it 1964 to 1968, there is one thing that you learn, “The more manuverable ship give way in case of incursion”. With what appeared to be (cigar type) speed boats, there was no time for political thoughts to have even been considered. The Captains first consideration always is the same, the saftey of his ship and crew. He failed.
He should be relieved of his command. We are lucky things turneds out as they did.
This attitude it exactly what happened on 9/11/01 and with North Korea when they captured our ship and crew many years ago.
If you have a child who tells you their going to kill themselves, You, must act. Whats the difference here, and these people know what their saying.
Hi Jeff–
the pshych.cop is a real cop– trust me– he has some good read and he is a nice guy too- I sent him some pictures and he acknowledged them– which I thought he was cool- he protects his site because my email I believe was screened– check him out–
After review of the videos on TV, it’s clear that they were also shouting threatening comments back in response to the warning given them by the Navy officer.
The basic premise is that we ARE at war with the Jihadists and fundamental terrorists making up Hamas, Hezbollah, Al Qaeda, etc.
Those boats were also much faster than the one which hit the USS Cole.
Respectfully, we should have torched them.
from your comments above: I have spent enough time with the military to tell you they will not let Cole happen again.
Do you believe the Iranians said this about Vincennes?
Bold statement Mr Housley I understand that you are making a point but all you have is reporter experience. That is your only measurement. There are many Lessons Learned from many incidents we- –The US— do not want to happen again. But no one has a crystal ball and reporters nor pollsters have the capability of telling that fortune.
Now with that said I hope your not offended and are able to accept this as Americas constructive criticism regarding the news. What America is concerned about is what the majority wants to tolerate and if it will be a physical or financial impact. Hopefully we as a whole (US) take that in complete considerationwhen we exchange leadership upon this election year
What I found interesting, aside from the missile testing itself, was the use of contractors in the Navy. I heard that in Irag we are even contracting out the mess hall duties. I heard a report that said it cost $16 per meal per soldier and if the soldier gets back inline to eat again another $16 was added onto our bill. On the USS Erie there were Navy guys who had their own responsibilities but also spent time in the mess hall.
In Adam’s blog (I posted the link above), on the USS Erie, Adam mentioned that there were contractors from Lockheed (and other companies for other reasons), the ones that developed the radar eguipment/system to intercept missiles. I can see why those contractors were there.
None the less… the simulated missile launch was a success. I thought it was nice how Adam connected some of the crew with their families through that particular blog. The crew, through Adam’s eyes, seemed to have a lot of respect for their captain. Including Adam who suddenly felt the need to tuck in his shirt even tighter when he saw that crew members were hustling to get their uniforms flaw free when the captain walked in. I got a good laugh out of that one!
Adam…I can’t find the blogs for the USS Reagan or the USS Milius. Do you have a link handy that you can post please?
Here is a link to one of Adam’s bogs when he was on the USS Erie. It’s a good read and gives minute by minute account of what took place when they did the simulated missile launch. The “Day Four” link will have you on the edge of your seat.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,269060,00.html
There’s other blogs I’m reading now.
I saw a story on that yesterday John, scary is right, i cant even begin to imagine.
Adam
Thanks for commenting on my swimming pool, toy boats analogy – 1/9/08-4:05pm. Hope you also know I was being very sarcastic.
Also agree that the foreign press will treat this claim on facts instead of skepticism which is the proper and correct way to handle this.
I just could not believe that he thinks we (US) have nothing better to do than to fabricate videos against his country.
Must say, I am a Leo and this old (oops-mature) lioness had to roar on this one!!!!!
Off subject………….just got a call from a buddy of mine who’s vacationing in Ecuador with his wife. That volcano, Tungurahua(sp?) is getting ready to blow. They’re about 85 miles to the north of the volcano in the capital,Quito and they’re being warned that this could be a really big eruption at any time. Possible effecting the city itself with ash and lava fallout if the volcano explodes……….ala Mt. St Helens. Some scary stuff down there
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/01/10/we-interrupt-the-campaign-season-for-a-border-reality-check/
Adam.. do you think that you can change your blog,
so that after a hundred comments (or so)
the most current comments can be up top?
My one question, where was the video taken from?
Waiting for you to post on our border patrols being attacked.
off subject…
‘morning Adam, did you ever tell us about the San diego story? and wasnt it to air today?
Terrorist, gotta love them, I would love to set up a terrorist training camp, a lot like the boot camp I went to for the US Army, we could issue them uniforms and feed them great army chow, PT the hell out of them. Give them some pride and training. Teach them survival skills, and basic hand to hand combat. Make them all excellent marksman. We could even teach them how to wear suicide vests properly. Teach them to scope out where to detonate at to cause the most damage. We could outfit them with vests that work like “miles” gear (old army guys will remember that but for the rest think “laser tag) they could run into crowded streets and “detonate” their training vest and see how much damage they would have caused. Towards the end of their training, when they are all amped up and ready to kill we could get them all excited about passing the “live fire” range. march them out to a field and have the first guy run into the field and detonate with his real vest “ooooooooh” we could all exclaim as he gets blown to hell “nice job” lets get the next guy in the shoot and see if he does better, keep all of those guys highly motivated as they wait in line to demonstrate what they have learned. We could put names on the walls for those that detonated themselves the best and keep those guys trying to out perform the guy that detonated in front of him. then when that entire “graduating class” has passed the live fire and all that remains is a pile of blown to bits carcasses, all of us trainers can go take a piss on them and get ready for our next rotation of recruits while the bulldozers clean up the “terrorist live fire range”….just a thought
the aebloo is me…
Rod……….that’s what makes no sense. The Iranians know full well what our “buffer” zone is before we defend ourselves when provoked and history has shown that we will defend ourselves. The question is, why are they provoking us into an attack? They know full well the deadly capabilities of our navy ships. Are they trying to see how we counteratteck so they can learn how to attack us succesfully? Are they performing “dry-runs” for some sinister future attack? Are they under orders from Tehran, or are these rogue elements of the Iranian armed forces just raising some hell?
So many questions, besides the obvious ,”are these guys idiots?”, come up.
Susan: have fun at your work!
I thought we had 1/2 mile security bubble around our ships? If some lunatic is screaming over the radio and coming at us at 60mph, hose him down when he gets to 600yds. That’s 200 inside the bubble and that’s called intent. Make sure it’s all caught on video with the appropriate audio dubbed in. -Rod-
http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/1209/p12s01-stct.html
HERE IS a backround of the new passport ….o snap
OO adam,
i found the blog when i was on the foregin policy magazine website……. oo you should go renew your passport agian its beyond cool theres quotes by famous americans onthe top of every page and a pics to as i said before like for instance mount rushmore …. and the page were your picture is on the old passport which is really boreing is all pimped out ….. and the cover the eagle is in GOLD!
Adam… I had no idea… looking now… this will be interesting!
Susan-
I saw a story on the news last night about some guy posing as a cop and pulling people over getting caught because one of the people he pulled over was a real cop. Doh !
P.S. Carniveral is just cops hanging out and sharing their stories– the person who posted his site here with Adam, on the LAPD thread, is very cool– and he has a lot to offer as with his thoughts- and the stories there are real fun–
Jen S–
I know– you won’t be seeing my name as frequently– starting tomorrow– only because now I have to really work– my Judge friend is back from his vacation, and I have to be at the Justice Court early tomorow–
It has been a hoot here– but then there is life–
talk with you, maybe late tomorrow—
P.S. I’m sleeping in and calling in sick tomorrow.
AND I can’t do the Carnival on the 15th; I’m not a clown.
Susan—
So Sorry—I was busy picking up your crumbs on GO GO Gadgets, AND
I also had to stand up for Jesus on the letal inj. thread for YOU!!!!!!
signed- tired and worn out just like Adam
Here is a fun true cop story— and I copied it from the cop’s site– and I don’t think he will yell at me
I’m Amphibious!
When I was a police officer, in North Carolina, we had one particular individual who was a long time dealer in street pharmacuticals. I got the arrest one day when he was finally caught with product on him. We got to the jail and as I was filling out the arrest report, I asked him the very last question on the form “handedness”, “Are you right handed or left handed”? This guy looks right at me, puffs out his chest with pride, as he tells me “I can write with both hands, I’m amphibious”!
submitted 12.25.07
Jen S
Hurricane Ivan was short of two posts to make it to 400. I just completed YOUR job.
Signed,
Your boss
Adam–
before I wander off– your picture– did you ever see the divers in Acapulco? From the point of where the picture was taken on this thread, as to how far one could dive, do you think it is possible to make that plunge without a broken back?
Signed,
Jen– Acapulco Jen
Jen-
Read all of Dottie’s notes from past threads – I think, as Patty stated, Dottie’s eye surgery, was this month– Maybe at the end of this month?
Keep me informed-
Signed,
Your boss
cc Adam Housley
Tiamat–
my birthday is in August– will you buy me a penguin only if my personal assistant approves?
thank you–
Tiamat–
Goldie Locks? I would have set a plate for the bear- and a bed for him to sleep-
I must have been watching March of the Penguins— again!
Susan – Yes bear … No cheetos … No Jack Hann … Bear walked through door … Dave & co got outta house …… Bear roamed in the house … Bear eventually walked out the door … DAve had pix on his show after it happened … I think it was in 2006 …
Jen:
Good job– your pay increase will be in your next check
Signed,
Adam Housley
cc: Susan
Well–
I guess you figured out I can’t stand him- David— but give me a day with Jay– I think he would not give a chara if my clothes were not fitted right– and that Howard Stern– not Anna’s killer- the a** who makes fun of women– so glad he is not on the tele anymore!!! Robin– his little giggle side kick should be offended at how he just mocks and belittles women and people who are disadvantaged– I hope the jerk reads this!
FYI for Betty
Dottie was on the last Picture of the Day thread, but have not seen since. She was shacking up in Florida at some time share place and had limited time on line or something. Don’t think she committed to eye surgery last she said.
We’ll watch for her….
just doing my job as ASSistant to the Personal ASSistant.
cc:Susan
Jeffie–
hi–
I was about ready to wander– is the zoo quiet tonight?
Tiamat– Dave had a bear at his house? did he give the bear cheetos? I hope! or did Jack Hanna have to like text him to tell him- leave the bear alone?
Well– it looks like I am just engaged with me here– time to go check out my favorite cop’s site–
LAPD corruption thread– psychoglogicalcop–
Susan-
Hello
which Planet of the Apes?
Didn’t Charlton Heston do one? with Roddy?
As long as he reads Walden Pond— I can more or less like him!
Tiamat–
have you something about Dave I don’t know
Tiamat–
my favorite thing to say when in confrontation– I fear not the devil, much less you-
Susan – I think Regina’s prolly around 40yo … I can’t even remember her name … LOL … Supposedly, Dave’s a different guy when he’s not in front of the cameras … LOL
Tiamat–
my perfect man would be one who would drop a nice check to take care of the home, and then go on Lake Erie for about forever–
Susan – Which freak’s article?? You mean Satan’s blog?? Not yet …
But, you know darn well that they’re tracking email addies, IP numbers as well as which site you “came from” to get there …
Mahmoud = Satan incarnate … plain & simple … That or he was rejected for the remake of “Planet of the Apes” …
Tiamat–
Is Regina of age? or like stupid?
Susan – Dave has been married … to his college sweetheart (at Ball State Univ) … That was a long time ago … But, now it’s Dave, Regina & lil Harry (and the bear that came to visit them in their Montana “cabin”) …
Comment by Adam Housley
January 9th, 2008 at 8:49 pm
Avi-
If you become a citizen, you’ll have to serve…right?
Adam
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of course Avi is going to serve- the same day as you– because you guys are buds–
Tiamat–
I am going to become ostentatious and hedonistic as the Iranian freak-
Did you check out the small part of what I copied from the freak’s article?
Adam–
pay me- and I will stay away– but I have to share– so make it a good lump–
thanks
Tiamat–
see what happens when I don’t pay attention– Dave is single– time for me to start stalking him–
he will pay me to stay away– you want to share the monies?
Adam–
in response to your comment to Avi about the psycho in Iran– yes– the email address can be tracked– but here is a taste of his only- very only- first introductory paragraph-
A Guideline for Islamic Governance 2007/12/01
In the Name of Almighty God, the All-Knowing, the Most Lovingly Compassionate
One’s perspective regarding government and governance determines the way one ?should cooperate with the people. If one recognizes government as a privilege and prey ?of the governors, then the period of governance can be counted as an opportunity to fulfill ?the expectations of certain individuals and groups or the ostentation and hedonism of the ?governors.?
But if in our view, “government” would be a responsibility before God for ?establishing justice and a duty to ensure the rights of common people, serving the ?servants of God and helping the oppressed- then the most important issue will be the ?people’s concerns. If this is the case, governors would not view themselves as better than ?other people and they wouldn’t put themselves in any other position except serving the ?people……. blah and blah and blah ?
Susan – No, Dave’s not married … He’s shacking up with his baby momma … err, I mean a gal named Regina who used to work on his show …
Tiamat–
Senator McCain was born around Panama– water logged! He owes everything to his dad—
Stockholm- captive–you don’t have to be in a cage– maybe brainwashed, is what I should have used
Jeff-
Hi!
So when are the predictions for WW111?
Adam
Thanks, I saw the tapes last night but left the room before they started talking about it.
Betty–
I see you over at Greta’s all the time– I MISS you here!
Dottie is a good one– she always has a cheerful remark–
hope you see this– xxxxx
Tiamat– maybe Dave is still in hiding from his stalker from the 18th century– who the hell would stalk him? I would be so tired of listening to his putting me down attitude! Is he the one who married Nancy Grace?
Adam– stop ignoring me—
as for your remark—I was on board the Sir Percival —
Emily posted this on one of the POD–
do you remember?
Signed and sigh now,
Your very ex- Personal Assistant
Has Iran or anybody else accused us of doctoring the tapes yet ?
Susan – Dave got shaved on Monday’s show … Well, partly … They finished him off on a commercial break … LOL … Actually, I thought it was kinda funny seeing him with the beard …
Susan – Stockholm Syndrome has to do with those held captive / hostage … Sometimes, I think that McCain had it when he was a POW in ‘Nam …
If he was given a chance, I’m pretty sure that Capt Jason Dahl would’ve fought the hijackers like hell … He’s a SJSU Spartan … and they don’t just give up …
If I were the US Navy, any boat approaching or brazenly circling would be blown to Kingdom Come.
Did we forget the USS Cole?
The 9-11 report had problems because of the problems of WHO was on the commission … Jamie Gorelick should NOT have been on it … It was she that developed that wouldn’t let the CIA talk to the FBI, which has got to be one of the stupidest things the federal govt has ever done …
Iran is taunting the tiger … and they will get bit …
Susan – Go go some gadgets …
I think this thread should be– Tough Call on the High Thread-
Emily– you peeked in— bless you– I knew the thread- Waiting and Waiting- would become too long of a visit— tee hee-
Terroists— well- they just seem to multiply like littte bunnies— How about poisoning these guys?
Like Eva Braun should have done to her boyfriend? These most omnipotent leaders are the ones who poison the mass– called like Stockholm thinking—
We have to kiss their butts to go by treaties and so on and so on– when these murderers who don’t want to exchange trade in a benelovent manner to help this world get along, because their egotistical low fused brains have to have control—
SO PATHETIC!
Our military is out making the tough calls all the time. Sadly, we don’t hear much about the positive or great decisions they make, but the bad decisions are the only ones we are going to hear about over and over again on the news for weeks and months. I know that their actions and decisions need to be reviewed, I just wish that there was equal focus placed on the good things they do.
My apologies Tiamat… That was my imprsession of multi-tasking while at work! I stand corrected… IEDs… bah hahahaha
One of the ships involved in this skirmish is the USS Ingraham … which is home ported here in Everett …
If you stand on the sidewalk at Providence Hospital in Everett … You can see the USS Abraham Lincoln … when she’s in port …
Max – Ack!!!! Sadly, I wouldn’t put it past some of those freakin’ terrorists to do something that insane in the membrane …
Tiamat: it depends where the suicide bomber places their bomb
Karen T – I kinda doubt they’re using IUDs in the war … Except for some female military members …
LOL … IEDs, yes … LOL
karen: at least he knew he had the option of blowing them out of the water.
Patty: a lot of problems in my life have been caused by people not doing things, because other people said they would do it, but didn’t, and no one told me it was to be done. Socialism has screwed up a lot of my life so far, lol!
Government just needs streamlining, and a lot of things could be passed off to the private sector.
Adam… I would guess that the time you spent on those ships, you were able to see first hand the attitude of our military. Most of the reports I hear, when it’s coming directly from our soldiers, is they want to be there and they have strong convictions as to why they should be there.
These are extrodinary men and women fighting to keep us safe, all around the world. That includes all of our allies military.
Max… I sure hope our Government has their act together now.
I can’t imagine what this Captain had to go through when he was confronted with these little boats making threats. I have a lot of respect for him and wish him well. Obviously he’s an excellent Captain.
avi…not… is school “over” as in done…it was “over” as in across the water
oo and i remember my science teacher wanted my book after i finised reading it lol…. i read it during reading time in science class( our school had reading time ) haha
YAH it was when i was 12/13ish …… It wasnt to hard to read ….. would do you mean is school over?
Thanks Susan and Patty
I haven’t been over here in a while, and others were asking about Dottie (smile) on Greta’s and this is the last place I saw her.
I didn’t know about the surgery, only her smile!
Max, i think thats where the gov’t screws up big time. even as far down the line as i am, none of our offices can get along. It gets so old! We are all supposed to be here for one goal.
example….Why should our office to the very same thing thier office just did, all because they wont share info. grrrrrrrr
Avi…you have to be one of the only 7th graders to read that report!! (atleast the ones i know)
Is school over there, like here? I mean like 7th grade here would make a kid 12(ish) yrs old.
I read the 9/11 report as well, the problem was that there were so many different agencies. No one had control, what is needed is for mergers of various agiencies, it would save money, and allow clear control in similar situations. The department of homland security is a step in the right direction, but we need other agencies merged as well.
Susan: Avi wouldn’t need a visa as he’s American. I wouldn’t need one as the visa waver program would allow me to stay for 90 days, though I will need one when i go to college. but that should be easy to get.
Karen i read the 9/11 report as well in 7th grade… i have it on my book shelf still…. first politcal book i read…….. good read alot of details and shows the mistakes ….