While our gov’t twiddles their thumbs because no one seems to want to confront this problem
Maybe the candidates could all go put up tents and stay a week to see just what the border patrol goes through day after day instead of just letting it happen because they might loose votes. grrrrrrrrr

High voltage fencing—
it works for cows;right Patty?

Got that right Jen!

I had a very interesting 3 hour long conversation over the past holiday season with a friend of the family that has resided in Mexico for the past 8 years. He’s an American citizen living and working in Mexico as a consultant for an American financial institution. I quized him on many of the issues that are in the news today to get a better understanding of what the Mexican views are. What he told me was somewhat shocking tough not entirely unbelievable.
In short what he said was that if the present economic situation in Mexico continues at it’s present decline, he sees the Mexican economy collapsing from within in about two years. This is mainly due to the monopolization of their industries, corruption at all levels (private and public) and personal financial situations of it’s citizens. If that happens, he speculates a mass exodus of Mexicans to the U.S……..we’re talking 20 to 30 million starving people (out of a population of about 108 million) that will cross our border seeking food and shelter. No fence, number of guards or high tech equipment is going to stop that from happening….IF it happens.
He also said that RUMOR by some Mexican government officials that he has spoken with are saying that the US and Mexican governments are aware of the impending problems and are working on a scenario where Mexico would become a commonwealth of the US. Much like Puerto Rico is now. As crazy as this idea may sound to some, there are certain advantages to doing this………for both countries. Whatever happens, this border situation is interesting to say the least and far from over at best.

With two border patrol officers in jail, don’t these guys have A LOT of hesitation using deadly force, even if they have to, like they say?

“US and Mexican governments are aware of the impending problems and are working on a scenario where Mexico would become a commonwealth of the US.”

That’d probably be a win-win situation. Americans could probably help clean up the corruption. As long as they don’t make all mexicans US citizens straight away, otherwise everyone would just cross the border.

Max, we cant clean up our own corruption!!!

John… interesting scenerio, but what do we do when all goes to he** in a basket here (in the USA), (which is coming) mass flee to ????

Patty…………ARUBA………….now that Greta and OTR are no longer there stirring up trouble, it’s “safe” once again. We’ll have to bring our own sand though…….it’s a small island

Max…….That’s exactly what he was telling me. For the long haul, it does seem to make sense.

This is getting crazy. We need to support our border control agents and do something about illegel immigration (and drug running over the border) – what will it take for our leaders to do something?

I would like to see the two imprisoned border control agents pardoned for a start.

Max……..it would also slow down the estimated $20 billion that Mexicans here in the US (both here legally and ilegally) send back to relatives in Mexico on an annual basis. Much of this money goes un-taxed and hurts both governments financially.

I support deadly force when necessary….and wish all the people yapping about us defending the border should shut up and move to Mexico…..

John: If Mexico did join El Salvador would probably sign up to. The FBI and Military would probably deal with the drug cartels a lot better than the Mexicans do now.

Max……..very good points

Comment by John
January 10th, 2008 at 1:39 pm
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What a thought. I personally don’t want them and their problems.

John.. not much sand in Kansas! *L*
well there is, just not “beach” quality~
I do have lots of fertilzer though, of the cow kind!

You can’t get video like this on the TV… This was fantastic!

smooth…… did you get to take the gun home lol?

What happened to the Billions of dollars that Bill gave them a few years ago?
Wasn’t that to help their economy– I guess just for the rich and famous ones..?
I say close the borders rapidly especially after reading John’s predictions.

? I have never thought…do they not have any border patrols on their side?

There are the Human Rights Organizations AGAIN fighting for the bad guys. They are yelling about their eyes being teared. So What! What about the children in America where the illegal drugs filter down to? What about the children who get moved across the border in very dangerous situations? Why aren’t these organizations fighting for their safety?

Do these organizations consist of members of drug cartels? What if Al Quida and other terrorists organizations pay the thugs to help them cross our border?

Congress better close our borders quickly. This is enough now. Our border agents and American Citizens should not be subjected to this.

Did Congress already pass the Bill that will put funds into this operation? When will we visibly see a positive effect of that Bill?

Jen S: no border patrol in mexico, they do however have their military all along their southern border

Aren’t those 2 border patrol agents getting pardoned? Why hasn’t that happened yet? I forgot about that.

Warning— OFF TOPIC
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22582231/?GT1=10755
I said this would happen.
Nothing should be allowed to get in a tiger pen at a zoo! This story will never end.

John… What possibly could be the advantages to the US of Mexico becoming commwealth? We don’t even have illegal immigration under control. How could we keep up with that scenario happening?

Adam. the gun…is that not pretty much the same as a paint ball gun? used with co2? just more high tech.
There isnt very many rounds in that gun, doesnt seem very feasible to keep swithing cartridges. Cant they use a “hopper” like a paintballer?
We have all kinds of paintballers around here, its alot of fun.
But there is a big difference, ours is for playing, border patrol’s is for survival.

Jen MSNBC?? LOOL

oops that was supposed to be “switching cartridges”…sorry!

Jen S. … good grief. You’re right, nothing should have allowed this dog or anyone else to get inside that tiger lair. The anilmals should be protected from the outside and the visitors should be protected from the animals. There’s no excuse for this.

Karen T: there would be no illegal imigration from Mexico if Mexico was a US territory. People might even return if conditions improved.

Max… I understand about the benefit of oil for America. But I can’t see the benefit of 30 million people legally moving here becuase there wouldn’t be a border. I’m not buying it that they might even move back if the conditions changed. Our economy would be horrific with the health care system taking on that number of new citizens, our government programs would take a hard hit too.

The economy of Mexico is not America’s problem and it shouldn’t become our problem just because they can’t fix it. If they got their drug cartels under control and filter the money back into the econemy from the oil, they might have a fighting chance.

I would settle for our military going there and getting things under control before I would support Mexico becoming Commonwealth.

Max…that’s an amnesty…and a defacto reconquista as the masses move north to take back what they lost.

I can’t say (honestly! I can’t say!) how much it pains me to see this happening and the government literally doing nothing to stop it. Paintball guns? Pepper spray? Why don’t we just put up signs along the border, all facing south, that say “Take me, I’m yours!”? This is far more dangerous than people realize. -Rod-

Yeah Adam…that IS a good question. I noticed you laughed a little bit. No one cares what happens to US in all of this. -Rod-

Adam,

Just saw your live shot on ED Hill – Good job and please stay safe

P.S. Blue shirt looks great on you!!!!

Rod, i didnt say USE the paint ball guns…I wanted to know if the guns in adam’s video were like paintball guns.

Karen T……..like Max said above. It’s really not a new idea. This is, in some way, exactly how today’s USA came to be. After the initial 13 colonies, much of what is now the US was put together this way. Sometimes the easiest way to resolve a problem is to go back to the basics you know that worked in the past.

I posted my tiger news on the most current tiger thread….
They are still over there talking about it!!
Adam that assignment was a winner for you!

Okay…I am done playing Susan for awhile.

John mexico becoming a U.S. territory would not happen in a million years…. thats exaggerated …… we already have a ” new mexico” no need for Mexico lol….

Congress would never approve something like that nor would Mexico I’m sure…

Comment by John
January 10th, 2008 at 1:39 pm

Wow…. interesting…. hum….

Great story and great video.
Wow..

God bless our border patrol agents.

John… this may have worked in the past, but our economy can’t take a hit like that now. We can’t even cover our future Social Security Benefits. I can’t even imagine how the Center for Disease Control would go about monitoring 30 million people that could possibly cross over.

Commonwealth can’t be the correct answer to this problem.

Avi… I’m not confident that Congress wouldn’t pass that. Especially if a Liberal Democratic President gets ellected. Is this something that American people could vote on or is this something that where only the President and Congress have control over?

John….. should America also make Canada a territory as well since mexico would be a territory as well…

Its there problem ….. there country is messed up … we did not put it upon them…. Its there job and the govts job to fix it up… there is only so much we can do and so far we have…..

Mexico is not Americo …… there a soverign nation and therefore they have to take care of their people and maintain law and order….

We can help with money but that only goes so far……. Money is money but how it is used is another story…

Karen … maybe…. if Congress passed this and the President signed it ….. It could be subject to Judicial Review …. i learned about this….

The Judicial branch can over rule laws and stuff……

Meaning the Federal Court ( U.S. Supreme Court)

I graduated from Chula Vista High School back in 1985. I had many friends that lived even closer to the border than I did and could actually see people running across their lawns at night from across the border. It was a serious issue back then and I saw what was happening in San Diego at the time. We were in a no win situation because women who were pregnant would run across the border in hopes of having their children born on US soil. The advantage to this was that the baby was now a US citizen and entitled to a free education from the US taxpayers. There was actually a bus that would go to the border and pick up kids to attend school in the US.

I remember back then the friends that we had who were border patrol agents and how totally useless they felt their jobs were because there wasn’t enough being done by the government to deter illegal aliens from crossing the border and setting up shop in the US.

We moved from San Diego and I now live in a small, Minnesota town, but I see that even here, the problem is ever growing. We have several dairy farms in the area that employ illegal aliens. When ICE came to a neighboring community this past summer, the local paper wrote articles that made it sound as if the Nazis had come here and were doing door to door searches for Jews. It was honestly that poorly reported. Every day for a couple of weeks I read the headlines quoting various Hispanic community groups slamming the heck out of ICE for having the audacity to remove illegal alien criminals from the community.

This problem isn’t going to get better unless the people of the United States and the Government realize that breaking the law is WRONG. It should be treated like a crime instead of turning their backs on it as if it isn’t happening. Debates can go on and on about the good and bad points of illegal immigration on our society, but the fact remains that the word is still “illegal” and should be treated as such.

Karen T……….Yes, we have many problems of our own to contend with. However,IMHO, this border/immigration problem will not go away by simply shutting down the borders. The 30 million that could cross over that I spoke of above is a speculation that could occur IF the Mexican economy collapses, which according to the person I spoke with, is a possibility. The commonwealth idea would attempt to prevent that from happening.
I think all here are in agreement that something needs to be done. I feel that it would be better to come up with a long term solution, not a quick fix.

Oooo…I hate it when I ramble and then forget something!
No one should have to put up with what the border patrol officers are dealing with. It isn’t right and I can’t get around the thought that this is no different than basic military action from an enemy invading our country and should be treated as such.

btw: i think Nora is a tough cookie!!!

(i would have said she has a different part of anatomy than me, but, nah, i wont go there!) *L*

John: It’s certainly not a new idea, infact there is plenty of evidence that the founding fathers intended the whole of the Americas as one nation. The most obvious is the name of the country. Until the Declaration of Independence America refered only to both continents.

John you really think 30 million people will cross??? That would be like israels population the whole pop of israel plus another 21 million….

Americas economy would crash if anything

Id run to mexico since 30 m just left….. Id find alot of riches….

trading spaces hmmm

and who is this person?

John: I’m pretty sure you mean Territory rather than Commonwealth. Puerto Rico is a territory. Massachusetts is a Commonwealth.

my turn to ramble …:-)

I live pretty sheltered in my corner, its quiet, and majority is caucasion.
Now, don’t get me wrong, i am not racist! and please don’t accuse me of that!!
but when our daughter moved close to denver and we went to visit. It was scary. Most are/were hispanic. Non english speaking, pants hanging off the *ss, etc. When we went shopping in walmart we had filled up with cart and then the store annoucement came loud and clear…….in spanish! That is when I looked at my daughter and said “Lets go……..they dont need my money here”. And we left the cart right where it was. I was so astonished, actually very pissed off that in america we cant speak english!
I know that many of you in the bigger cities think nothing of it anymore, its daily for you, but for us it wasnt, and i hope i am NEVER forced to get used to it!

There, *stepping off my pulpit and putting on my armor*

Avi: the 30 million would be economic refugies if Mexico’s economy failed. This is a likely possibility under the current set up. Making Mexico a US territory would be an attempt to prevent the 30 million people wanting to cross the border.
Unless the Army strung out forts all across the southern boarder watching all points it would be impossible to stop those many people from crossing.

MAX not at all:

tHAT is not taught in history books….

theres a diffrence in speculting interpreting what they did and what they meant and taking it as is and taking it out in to the ball park and be like ” oh maybe they meant that ”

Nothing is mentioned about MEXICO in the Federalist Papers as far as i am concenred

YES: America did buy land from mexico and made some deals but never uniting

The United States of America got nothing to do with Mexico…. It has more to do with uniting all the STATES into a UNION….

Its not the UNITED STATES OF THE AMERICAS

AMERICA=1

AMERICAS= 1X

Americas attiude towards Manifest Density at the time was not to make Mexico apart of the union ….. If i remember correctly Canada almost became apart of the US….

Adam..you have the hickups above? or your stuttering.

Max if you think 30 million people will run to america you need a realilty check…..

Massachusetts is officially a “commonwealth.” Colloquially, it is often referred to simply as “the Commonwealth,” although “state” is used interchangeably. While this designation is part of the state’s official name, it has no practical implications. Massachusetts has the same position and powers within the United States as other states and a similar form of internal government.

NO MAX

THAT WAS FROm WIKI!

aDAM

IT WOULD BE EVEN MORE IMPOSSIBLE TO PICTURE THE MIGRATION OF 30 MILLION ILLEGALS

Whatever it takes to stop the illegals from coming to our country, they must not be allowed!!

The politicians who are running for President desperately need to let the public know what they will do if elected. NO AMNESTY!!! They need to be returned to their homeland, and then start the process if they want to come back. They need to face fines, etc. for being here…..And, if they wish to return to the US legally, they certainly must know the language and have something to offer the US. They cannot just take, take, take…just follow the law.

SCARLET…. AMEN

AND Brittany SPEARS is in MEXICO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHA

all we are doing now is rewarding the ones that don’t get caught.

Avi,

Who knows if she will even return to the US!! One mixed up person..

Avi: Yes, they tried to invade Canda, but the Canadian Army were tipped off. One of the first Generals after the Revolution was over actually planned to build up an Army and take over both continents. He got as far as building up his Army.

And that was the scenario being panited. That if mexico collapsed 30 million would flee mexico for safety in America. It would be impossible to prevent that many people getting in, the border patrol with be completely outnumbered.
In such a situation Mexican drug cartels would probably start a civil war in Mexico, people would flee northward to avoid the violence, but the drug cartels would probably send many of their own north as well to take a hold of the US as well.

Adam,

I agree with you on the impossibility of deporting 10 million people. At the same time, I don’t think it should be represented as it so often times is as a “David vs. Goliath” situation. That attitude truly offends me as a law abiding citizen of this country.

I am truly open to listening to reasonable solutions to this problem.

Thank you so much for this report.

Avi: I was just telling John that he got the terms confused. He said “Mexico would become a commonwealth of the US. Much like Puerto Rico is now.” But Puerto Rico is a territory, not a commonwealth.

Avi … what do you wanna be when you graduate? do you know yet?
Your conversations always impress me!!!

I think this what if and speculating stuff is going over board……

i think we should look at today and not what might happen in years which is somthing wayyy out there…..

realisitcism

Scarlet- Welcome

Kristin, I am not giving up or giving in, I just realize that we have to do something besides amnesty and besides trying send everyone back. Neither is a quality option.

Adam

Avi: it need not be in years, it could be very soon.

I posted once before my plan for immigration, i’ll look for it

Comment by Max
November 23rd, 2007 at 2:37 pm
What’s needed to tackle illegal immigration would be first to deport all illegals picked up for any crimes. Then something like the fair tax. If illegals had to pay taxes the same as any American they’d no longer be able to work for lower wages. That would mean there would be no benefit to hiring illegals. Assign the national guard of all states to train and research border control and get deployed to the borders. That’s my comprehensive immigration plan
http://housley.blogs.foxnews.com/2007/11/21/the-best-defenseis/

but what choices are in the middle then adam? or anyone else.
How do we deal with all of those already here?
That is one thing that had kept me from liking Huckabee at first, his amnesty thinking, but of course, now he’s switching gears.
Fox’s debate tried to pin the candidates down the other night, on “what do you do with the illegal’s kids, if you deport the parents”?
well crap…why do i have to pay such a high college rate for my kids/grandkids and thiers is going to go to school free??? and why do we pay terrible high medical insurance and thier kids get free medical care??? its all backwards!!

gotta run for a bit…stay safe Adam and crew!!!

Adam,

I hear you. I trust your opinions on this since you are a resident of a state where illegal immigration has been a long standing issue. I would like to see some really possible and presentable solutions being brought to the public by our candidates in the near future. Its too big of a problem to be handled in a haphazard manner.

Kentucky is a Commonwealth!
All’s well here….except at Best Buy; they have spanish signs hanging from the ceiling now.
I’m with you Patty!!

Max,

You make some very good points. I have seen it here in my small community. Illegal aliens that are arrested for a crime and then released back into the community rather than deported. They then offend again. It is enough that we have so many legal citizens tipping the scales on crime without dealing with illegal residents over and over again.

Patty,

I live in Minnesota, a place where you would not imagine we have a large immigration issue. Due to the large dairy farms, we do have more than our share. About 30 minutes from here I do most of my large shopping at the Walmart and Target. I was shocked to see that just in the past few months, we now have mexican tabloids all over at the check out lines and announcements over the PA in spanish. If others feel the same as me at all, I feel a little alienated as an english speaking citizen.

Adam,

Sorry, I wasn’t insinuating that you didn’t care. I recognized that your smirk was at the question…and the answer…that the human rights groups had no interest in addressing the rights of our border patrol agents. “No one cares about US…”

BUT…I think you wrong that it’s impossible to deport them all. I’d say that we could induce many or most of them to self-deport, on the promise that once (and if) they clear background checks from within their home countries, they can come back with a legal work visa. No fines or anything, but the opportunity to become legal for real. That prospect would be thrown out there by the President during the State of the Union address. The other side of the coin is that those that refused to self-deport, and their families, would forever lose any prospect of becoming legal and absolutely would be subject to summary deportation from wherever they were found, along with their families. Punishments would be set in place for those that hired them too, be it a corporation or your neighbor hiring them to whack their weeds. Rewards for those that cooperate, bad things for those that don’t. It’s doable without giving away the store, without amnesty, without too many economic hits. The word “impossible” or “impractical” is defeatist and implies there’s no solution. It’s a matter of will. -Rod-

Max

NOT tomarrow and not next week and not next month and not next year will 30 million people rush the border….

IT WILL NOT AND WILL NEVER HAPPEN

MAx i cant imagine 30 million people running the border……

its unrealistic give me a break

this thought and prospect which is mear fantansy is like imagining the world is going to end to tomarrow people say its going to happen soon and ur saying 30 million people are going to run at the border

This isnt a movie its not a movie man… come on … seriously ……

this is soverign nations and govt exsist in them…… semi strong armys …… and all

this isnt prison break on fox

or Dawn of the dead

or the movie LEGEND WITH will smith

this is the REAL WORLD FOLKS !

Patty…. high raking state department official

The only way to solve the problem would be to make it so most of the people return on their own.

Sorry for the spelling errors…. …. just writing fast

Max that would also happen they arnt going to back on their own…. if that happend there would be no problemo

you see everything has a cause and effect

mexico economic probelm ( cause ) …. some mexicans illegaly imigrate to america ( effect)

this happens every where

such as in israel … illegal palestinians come here for work they are caught and sent back …..

they dont get them all but they get some

what we need to is make a plan that will work ….. we can say things that sound nice but they dont really work out nice … so a plan that works still has not being proposed nor have i thought of one if i had id be a rich kid right now

Rod,

You make a good point about fines for those who employ illegal aliens. It is amazing to me how much is actually wrapped up in the economics of hiring illegal aliens. If a large corporation goes to a bank to get funding for a business and the corporation hires illegal aliens as employees, the bank won’t turn away those same illegal aliens when they come to cash a check without proper id because then the corporation would be in a bad spot and possibly default on the loan. Everyone is watching each others backs. It is deeper than most people realize. Who would report them? Would it ever be enforced?

Avi: how would you get rich if you had an immigration plan?

And it wouldn’t be all in one day that 30 million crossed, but over a few months or years.

Max: being sarcastic

still 30 m is exxagerated

imagine again israels pop times 3 migrating to the U.S. =/

Avi: Mexico city is the 3rd largest in the world, 20million.

The larget city in the world is tokyo with 30million people.

It would be less than a 3rd of mexico. The last time a large number of mexicans came to the US in one go was their last civil war in the early part of last century. If there was another civil war there they same could be expected.

CIVIL WAR AND TODAY ARE DIFFRENT PERIODS OF TIME

TECHNOLGICAL AND OPERTIONAL

YOU CANT compare today and the civil war ….. diffrent events diffrent circumstances… diffrent people..

Post by John, above: “No fence, number of guards or high tech equipment is going to stop that from happening….IF it happens.”

I’m sorry John, but that is simply not true. We have a firm 20 miles from my house which I toured. They make camera and video lenses marketed to the government. I personally saw a lens that can read a license plate 4 miles away.

I made maps for a living for awhile. One of the contractors we looked at could produce satellite images capable of seeing a man in the front seat of a car. Real time surveillance from drones and satellites is not new at all; it’s been here for awhile.

High technology in security fence construction has been around for a long time. This coupled with infrared, satellite, and high quality lenses could make for a completely impassable barrier, unless one drove in with a tank.

Also, you conveniently ignore the fact that the illegals in this country are costing us billions of dollars a year right now, all on the backs of the middle class, but also at the misfortune and loss of benefits to our legal residents who happen to be in need.

They take construction jobs in the southwest because they are willing to work at slave wages. You condone slave wages? They are filling our prisons ( 15,000 at last count in the California penal system), all because a very high percentage happen to have criminal backgrounds.

We need a fence. On both borders. We need meaningful legislation and funded regulation to penalize severely any company in America which hires illegals. We need to deport each and every illegal alien we find except those who are responsible for children who were born here and therefore legal, and these parents need to have an expedited process of legalization. We need to greatly increase the number of border guards we have. We need to tighten regulation and record keeping for all who come into this country, even those who come here for an education only to use our universities to espouse terror and anti-American practices. We need to ferret out MS13 illegals and deport them immediately, and if they have criminal records, to the proper custody of Mexican officials.

Don’t expect me to want to subsidize the problems of the Mexican government when our own government is moving into a recession, when social security is going to crumble when our own people need it most. I have a kid in college, and another headed that way in a few more years. I’m on the 3k a month payment plan now, and get nothing from the government. You want to help those people, that’s commendable. Send them a check… as if it would get to where you intended it to go.

Only 100 years ago, if you look at africa you still get huge numbers of people fleeing from war.

If we pass a law that says if you are here illegally and have a child born here, that child will NOT automatically become a US Citizen, that would solve a part of the problem. I think one of the candidates running supports that idea, I wish I could remember which candidate it was.

Kristin and Jen…glad i’m not “alone” in my thinking!

Avi…I have a feeling you will do very well at what ever you end up doing!!! Your family must be very proud!

Kristin,

Enforcement really is the key. One of the first things, I believe, we’d have to do is purge the Immigration bureaucracy of the careerists who either don’t do their jobs because of laziness or incompetency as well a those with dual loyalties. It’s not a stretch to say that ICE/INS is corrupt. Not only is there money to be made but some people actively work against US interests for their own reasons. The agents themselves are none too shy about telling us that their managers hold the reins too tightly. We need a change strategically as well as tactically, and some people need to be put out to pasture and out of the way. We need to treat the border as wall, not to be broached by anyone, rather than a sieve with a bowl under it to catch what gets through. The border is supposed to be a line in the sand…cross it at your own peril. -Rod-

I am all for ending birthright citizenship…. that is from the 1800’s and was not intended for illegals coming from Mexico or other illegals coming here to get their free ticket in…
…it had to do w/ babies born to slaves…. someone need to FIX that.

When they sneak over the border and pop out their kid…. they should both be sent back home…

NICU nurses here in Vegas say it’s an epidemic and they wish someone would DO SOMETHING about it…. it drives them batty b/c they don’t speak a lick of English.

I am all for cutting off the magnet… punish the greedy employers that hire illegals…

quit paying for social benefits for illegals…

no more free schooling…. no free medical… no welfare/food stamps…

At the very least we should bill Mexico for the costs.

In my six months in hospitals…..I observed and heard that babies of illegals get free medical care (that we tax payers and INSURED pay for). Those babies leave the hospital w/ full Medicaid benefits. Ask any social worker or healthcare worker. I was told that one mom came across the border when she was told her baby had a heart defect..came to Vegas.. had her baby… the baby got a fully paid for heart transplant. (WE were told that WE needed $100,000 cash upfront even w/ insurance if Matthew were to ever need a transplant, we don’t have $100,000 laying around any more than an illegal.)

We American’s can’t keep paying for the care of illegals. … I hear that the U.S. pays billions of dollars a year in social benefits.

I have an attorney friend that said 90% of the traffic violators in traffic court are illegal driving WITHOUT CAR INSURANCE or a license.

We need to do something.

Actually, MEXICO NEEDS TO DO SOMETHING … CARE FOR THEIR OWN CITIZENS.

Karen T-
You beat me to it….I was over there telling Tiger tales with you and thinking the same thing!
What is the deal with that anyway? I will have to look that up. It makes and never has made any sense to me. So where does that leave the birth mother? Max or Avi probably have the answer.

Avi………the number of people, which as Max stated would be refugees fleeing the dire situation an economic collapse would create, is irrelevant. The idea that this could happen………and could happen very soon is very real. It’s happened in many other parts of the world throughout history, whether it was for economic reasons or the cruel persecution of a part of the population. For example, I’m sure many of the people you now reside with in Israel have ancestors, or maybe even themselves, fled Europe for similar reasons. Also, look at all the millions of refugeees that are escaping their homelands on the African continent for, again, similar reasons.
We here in the US have had a long history of relative peace on our continent. Mainly due to the fact that we have been able to isolate ourselves from many of the worlds problems. All those problems seemed like they were oceans away and many here ignored the plights of others across the globe. Now, however, the world seems to “shrinking” at an alarming rate…..and we, the US, are now in the thick of things to come, whether we like it or not.

Comment by Max
January 10th, 2008 at 5:06 pm
Only 100 years ago, if you look at africa you still get huge numbers of people fleeing from war.

That is correct Max. Apartheid was a thing of horror and despair, absolutely inhuman. But take a look at the headline on Jacob Zuma ( “Zulu Boy”) on the http://www.foxnews.com website, and tell me that the South African people are any better off than they were under Botha and the National Party.

This is the cost of free choice. Dictatorship does not spell democracy. The Boers were as oppressed by the British as the Zulus. At least the Zulus had aboriginal claim to the land, whereas the Boers simply migrated (make that, ran to) the East Cape.

I am thinking “Zulu Boy” will be as horrifying to the people of South Africa as Idi Amin was to the Ugandans.

“Comment by Adam Housley
January 10th, 2008 at 5:38 pm
Terri-

Be a bit careful with the “greedy employers” belief. While there are significant number of employers who may conduct business that way, there are also many more trying to wade through fake documents that look perfect and also some in the ag industry who flat out can’t find enough people to do the work no matter the price.”

That is an excellent point Adam, but one which could be easily fixed with legislation and security cards.

Adam..
I do understand your point … and I’m sure there a some that try their best …

but, wouldn’t not being able to speak a lick of English be a bit of a clue?

What about E Verify?? I hear it’s free….that would be a start, huh???

I have a friend that works a nice hotel here and she said she’s tired of the hotel hiring illegals b/c they don’t speak English..

and construction sites are full of illegals…. so I am told by friends that are in construction….
landscaping businesses…

There is a place over on I95 and Rancho where dozens of illegals hang out waiting for pick up trucks to come pick them up and take them to construction sites.

I’m was told by someone in law enforcement that there are only 2 ICE agents that cover Southern Nevada.

Adam and all others on the blog…………..just to take a time out. I am really impressed by this crowd here………we can all agree, or agree to disagree without any type of personal attacks on each other. I have my views, obviously, but I am also learning from the responses I’m reading from you. If there was ever a more civilized blog than this one, I have yet to find it.
Thanks………………now, let’s get back at it……….actually I’m going to dinner, see ya later.

I was told.. not I’m was told. I need to proof read before I hit submit. Sorry about that.

Construction jobs here in Vegas used to be a PRIZE job and they were paid so good … I will never be convinced that an American won’t take that job… not here at least.

When I was growing up here in Las Vegas ….
teenagers worked at fast food places

and teenage boys would mow lawns. Not that way anymore.

Adam,

My plan takes the necessity out of those mass roundups but hey, if push comes to shove, we do what’s needed. In the forefront of our minds needs to be the phrase, “This land is my land”. The plan is an attempt to regain control as peacefully as possible. The activists would have us believe that illegals love the US as much as you and I do. Yeah right. Why should they? They may covet it, yes…but that’s not the same. Those that refuse to play along with the plan will be seen for what they are and should be treated as such. Squatters. Uninvited intruders to be found and sent packing.

If we fail to do so, we eventually will lose it all, for the will to retain ownership of what is ours will have been long abdicated in favor of political correctness and expediency. -Rod-

I give up, I can’t seem to write today. I need to sllllllllow down and take a breath.
Sorry :-/

I live near Cincinnat and there is a large problem with illegals recently. Sheriff Brown is Well know in the area for his relentless work on the growing problem.
His jail was overflowing with them and he’s had enough! He’s fought with the government and even billed them. Here’s a picture of him outside his jail http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071218/COL05/712180319/-1/all

He has eight deputies trained now to work with ICE and will then be permitted to enforce federal immigration laws. I’m glad he’s doing this it helps the entire area.
I guess we have to do it at the local level; do it ourselves .. wait until they get here and deal with them? Pitiful.

John–

How wonderfully sweet you are!!!

It should be noted too that under my plan, gangs of illegal day-workers would be a thing of the past. No more crowds outside of Home Depot or 7-11 or the local rock-yard. A work visa would require that you have a job…one with an identifiable employer who’s withholding taxes, just like everyone else. No job, no visa. Lose the job, you get a new one within 60 days or go home. If you get caught out, you get deported and lose the right to come back again…ever. -Rod-

John, that was a nice compliment to Adam and us critters. Thanks for writing it!

It does seem that even on tough days here, we all can keep from personal attacks, that is what brought me to this blog to begin with.
I learn so much here, and especially to “think outside of the box”!!!

Adam you should be commended

hummm that sounded like your personal assistant now didnt it? Ive been taking lessons!

Terri,

You make a good point. People are convinced that white folks won’t work a farm. The fact is, they aren’t welcome. Cesar Chavez locked all of that down in his UFW marches decades ago. Those are UNION jobs being held by illegals, with UNION wages, but we’re led to believe that they’re being paid slave-wages. Fact is, they have a contract. I never had one of those…

Don’t worry about your spelling. I’m like you, in my haste my brain sees what it sees and only later do I find the errors. No sense in fighting it -Rod-

Jen…you beat me to it. thats why you are the assistants assistant!

Patty -

Yep!

Around here, the kids seem to think they are owed something, they want the high dollar job and do nothing. When we dairyed and put up hay in small bales, we paid 5 an hr, which back then was a gold mine to a teenager. Now they wont even help you for 10/hr!!. Give me a break, they hay isnt worth that!! Why is it these kids are growing up with the idea that someone owes them something???? Parents are failing in many more ways that one. But that is a whole nother debate. But it still causes the trickle down of more problems. Honest work = pay, its not a right of passage. We’ve got to go back to basics, or none of the legislation will work!! If we can reset the mind set, there would be no jobs for illegals!

Hi All, My first time on Adam’s blog.

Lots of great observatoins.

I like the idea of self-deportation and thought there was some of that corrently happening in Arizona. Also, like the idea of putting pressure on the employers to verify the status of the worker, but understand the Government’s process is toooooooo slow.

I used to work in CA in the auto insurance field. You have no idea how many people claimed to be injured in accidents. When we were finally able to obtain information checks, we would find the male person with a Spanish type surname had the SS# of Mary Smith!

Yes, unfortunately, SS#’s are stolen and used – and there are really good people at forging documents.

And, the 14th admendment was to recognize the children born of the freed slaves. The Admendment does include the word “reside”. Unfortunately, the term reside (in the state in which they reside”) is not defined. But, does a person who crosses the border to simply have a child equal “reside”. I think not.

Patty -

Good point about the teenagers…Adam won’t like me for this but – it’s the Gadgets. Kids are spoiled rotten and want everything now! If it’s not at the flip of a switch or instant gratification and it takes How Many Paychecks? to buy that, forget it!
Except my son, he’s different.

Patty,

My husband says the same kind of thing. Funny you say that, I was talking to a friend who is an office manager at a doctors office … her newly hired 18 yr old wanted $15.00 an hour… she was making $12, but asked for a 3 dollar raise.

Now days, so many teenagers think they are above working at fast food places. Here in Vegas anyway….
It’s refreshing to go thru St. George and Cedar City where at every fast food place/ice cream parlor we stopped at, a teenager worked the counter. Just like the old days. Go figure.

I do hear that the pig farms in Utah hire illegals. People at the banks say that they send the money back to Mexico.

Adam–

Good grief, I just walked in the living room and heard you sign off….can’t we get a schedule of when you are going to be on or are you shy?

Welcome Karen2!!

Jen S…our kids were also born with different than the norm values, but im not sure i can say that about the grandkids.
I was raised spoiled, not with dollars, just more like an only child, my bro was 10 yrs older and my sis 8… then i married a farmer, (phew! what was i thinking! *L*) that was a rude awakening for me!! But i have been ever so thankful for the 31 years of honest work! Its made me a better person and i believe that for our kids too.

Do you all remember a few month ago about a fellow here from Mexico illegally and he worked here as a dishwasher for umteen years. Well, he was leaving the US and had I think $10,000 or more in cash in his bag. He he was stopped because of the amount of cash he had; no one is allowed to fly with that amount of cash. (I didn’t know that) So they then discovered he was here illegally…they took his money. He was an hard working individual and no crime history.
I sorta felt sorry for him ..

sign off????????
ADAM! Thats it, we are going to rebel if you don’t give us “insiders” some inside info once in a while!

one would think the assistant and her assistant would have some say over that!! *G*

but jen s…the key word in that was “illegal”!!!
if he was sincere about his work, then he should have gotten here the correct way.

Karen 2- Welcome & thanks for the 14th info!

Patty- I am spoiled too–my piza just arrived- ttly

others – great debate. (read about my Sherrif Brown up there.)

Adam- you’re just great!

Terri……and while i have been at my job for 13+ years, i still dont make $15! (but i love my job!!)It is definitly a demographic thing when it comes to $ per/hr.

Jen S,
I did see that story … after watching Lou Dobbs, ole Rich Sanchez came on and started talking about this guy…trying to get people to feel sorry for him…. even speaking to him in Spanish….

he had A LOT more than $10,000, I believe … all I can remember thinking at the time was … I have never had that kind of cash after working 28 years for the same employer … and I am a TOTAL saver bug …(no credit card debt whatsoever) I am a freak about saving money …

so if I can’t save that kind of cash … I just have my questions about where he got his CASH.
Maybe I’m wrong…but I seriously doubt he saved that much money as a dishwasher… unless he lived off the streets and didn’t have to pay for his existence.

*sidebar: I only watch Lou Dobbs and Glenn Beck … otherwise I’m a Fox Fan~atic.

As a native Texan I need to say that Texas fought for our freedom from Mexico, BTW we won. Now if you act like everyone can stay with no problem, our Texas becomes dirt poor.

Adam I was going to tell you that was a CO2 gun but I saw Patty already covered it.

Border issues are not black and white but the illegals are Not paying Taxes or educating their children we as Texans and Americans are footing that bill. The biggest problem in healthcare comes from the cost of treating and maintaining health of children born to illegals.

I have to go, too mad to speak!!!!

Patty,

See that the thing. We’re told all the time what great people these are. Hard working. Honest. Uh huh. They’re such good people that they flaunt OUR laws without remorse. We’re told ad nauseum that they want citizenship. Says who…besides the activists, I mean? If they won’t get in line and come here legally, why should we expect that they’ll go through the necessary steps to become a citizen? Fact is, there’s no expectation of that at all. Given the political climate, they hope to stay here under the radar and get caught up in the next amnesty…by whatever name they choose to call it.

I’d like see the figures on the last amnesty…does anyone know how many of those went on to become US Citizens? My guess is that the number is VERY low. -Rod-

Terri
My story was close….
That’s why I don’t gossip..

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/27/immigrant.money/index.html

From what our daughter told us, the city of Denver offers amnesty. (someone else probably knows more than i do about it.) But how can a city pick and choose……..if that is the case, then as a gov’t entity, thier federal aid needs to be cut off!!!

LMBOL!!

Jen S…
I’m so glad you looke that up… b/c when I read your post… my brain was telling me it was like $64,000…. but
okay…

there you have it…. holy cow..
$59,000 cash! My husband and I together have never had that kind of money in our savings, even..

SO JEN puhhhlease tell me you’re not feelin sorry for this guy…

*giggling*!!!!!

Las Vegas is an unofficial sanctuary city…
our police officers are NOT allowed to ask for immigration status when they arrest people.

LMBOL!!

Jen S…
I’m so glad you looke that up… b/c when I read your post… my brain was telling me it was like $64,000…. but
okay…

there you have it…. holy cow..
$59,000 cash! My husband and I together have never had that kind of money in our savings, even..

SO JEN puhhhlease tell me you’re not feelin sorry for this guy…

*giggling*!!!!!

Las Vegas is an unofficial sanctuary city…
our police officers are NOT allowed to ask for immigration status when they arrest people.

Jen,
Thanks for the link. I had not heard of this before. The only good thing, he no longer has good feelings about the USA. Good. Tell that to your fellow countrymen when you get home. Maybe they will decide to stay home too. Also, did you note, he did not pay taxes……so, his $5.50 an hour was more like $9.00.

Just think how much more you would have in your pocket if there was no federal, state, social security, state medical fees, etc. withheld.

Jen, yes I was laughing my buppcheeps off laughing…and so glad you “looke” that up.
DOY!

I know -I know! But I have that Agape love in me sometimes; and when I saw it on tv they made him look so pitiful.

It seems harsh, but the gov’t is sending a message about ill-gotten gains. Maybe we could chip in and send him a goodbye tube of Preparation H? -Rod-

Eggz~akly girl!! That’s what CNN wants … they WANT you to feel bad for the poor illegal aliens … so you can vote Democrat … so we can continue to pay for them …
Clinton News Network or the Communist News Network…??

I sure wish Lou Dobbs and Glenn Beck would go to FOX. Well on second thought….maybe they need the only two that know what they’re talking about.

*ducks and gets out of room fast*

*This illegal alien deal REALLY gets me going.

and a violin to go with his wine (whine)

ouch, i know adam, that hurt!

jen s….you are such a good soul….how about a slap upside the head like the v8 commercial

Communist News Network, Terri…

I do not watch CNN
I do not watch CNN
I do not watch CNN
I do not watch CNN
I do not watch CNN
I do not watch CNN
I do not watch CNN
I do not watch CNN
I do not watch CNN
I only look to see who is on Larry King-sometimes. If Jack Hanna is on then I watch.

Jen,
I think everyone should watch Lou Dobbs and Glenn Beck.
We even get Glenn Beck’s podcasts….

These guys will tell you things that no one else will.

Yeah.. I’ll watch Larry if he has Jack Hanna, Glenn or Lou on…

Adam
do we have to look at it as deporting 10 million what about just deporting a few at a time, as long as we are deporting more illegals than are coming in we will be making progress, but if we continue to let illegals come in without atleast trying to deport some then we are making no progress which is probably why there are now 10 million, until maybe recently the government has made little effort to deport illegals.
I am not against Mexicans living here or anyone but if the whole world moves here it is going to get awfully crowded while the rest of the world will have a bunch of open space.

Adam, i showed this video to hubby and he wants to know “why in the h*ll does the gov’t send the border patrol out with toy guns?? do they (gov’t) think its a game???”

Ultimately, gang, it will be up to us. -Rod-

Thanks for the video- for Colonia Libertad– Agent Jacques– I just saw you on Shep-

What our news or what is being talked about locally here in Az– is more about day labor– since, as you know, Arizona is falling through with not hiring illegals, the argument is whether day laborers fall into this– as they are only hired for the day– and if some of these places get closed down, there definitely will be many people on the street– for every cause there is an effect–
This came from the Arizona Republic- I believe- —– Illegal immigrants cost Arizonans at least $1.4 billion in lower wages in 2005, according to a new report.

Speaking of border control, Brtiney is in Mexico now. Maybe border patrol can stop here from crossing back?

O’Reilly had some interesting things to say about GE-
General Electric Co., which has been accused of collecting “blood money” by doing business in Iran ….

Well hi and bye everyone– hope you all had a good and safe day—-

Terri–

You probably say Los Zetas on Glenn Beck awhile back? Scared me—

Adam–

thanks for your comment on The Innocent Man– as a matter of fact, this is what I am going to do tonight- read John’s book— and I want to add, you looked cute on Shep tonight— and it looks like on this video, you know how to use a rifle– what can’t you do? by the way?

Hey Emily– I do have one question for Adam– name me something you can’t do?

Hi Jens- Terri- Max- Avi- Jeff- John- Kristin- 44- Rod—Tiatam- Emily -Karen—- Have a good night– I am off to read the Innnocent Man— I hope it is not one of those books like Grisham has- where one stays up all night– like Ann Rule’s books–

Susan,

Gimme a big pile of sunflower seeds and I’d happily read with you…

Night Susan!!! Oh, yes saw that deal on Glenn.. it was scary!

CNN = Covering News Negligently

I’d choke if I had to watch that channel. They’ve been known to distort the facts and report one sided information (I call that brainwashing). Close to what the NY Times does.

On a personal note, their reporters and anchors are not very good looking. Their style of reporting is boring and makes me sleepy.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/04/Dobbs.Sept5/

Has Fox Lost It’s Marbles?

I noticed this stuff showing up a few weeks ago. The headline today:

5 Ways to Get Her in Bed

FOXSexpert: What does it take to seal the deal? FOX’s Sexpert Yvonne K. Fulbright points men in the right direction

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,321867,00.html

Rod-
I am not even going to open that link. My husband read on of those teasing stories on FOX, the story about the coach and cheerleader posing nude on cell phone pictures. He clicked and another click to another story and so on…. Next thing we know he has dancing topless women all over his computer and we had to call our IT guy in -$500.
So click at your own risk.

Karen T — Good acronym! Terri- too tired to click on yours.

Lights out.

Jen,

I NEVER click through from one site to another. Been there, done that! But the link to the FOX story is safe…at least it’s safe for your computer. I can’t say it’s safe for your mind though. It just seems trashy for FOX… -Rod-

I just read the news- and remember this guy–Freed American felt like pawn in political game
Eric Volz says he still fears Nicaragua could send hit squad to kill him? I completely forgot about him– I saw an interview a few years ago shortly after he was arrested for the alleged killing of his pretty girlfriend– and I just had a gut feeling he was innocent- The story is in People- which I read on MSM home page–

and Chavez has made it into the news- favorably– he is taking the credit for freeing those two Colombian women– he is at it again– manipulating—

Rod– the only thing I don’t like about sunflower seeds, and not you, but people just throw the outer part of the seeds all over the ground– the kid next door eats these and just throws it all over the sidewalk and drive way– it annoys me since the garbage cans are right by the side of the house– I call that laziness when one can’t walk three feet to throw their garbage in a garbage can–one of my biggest pet peeves—

Terri– I think Glenn Becks reports accurately– he reads before he shoots his mouth off- I find him to be one of the better ones on CNN–

Jen– your story was funny– dancing all over the computer ….

good night again– going to visit Mr. Officer and see what he has written today and make a note to him to check out Adam’s new thread- as he might have an interest in this one—

Karen T– ditto to Jen’s remark–

Hugo’s learning how to play chess from Iran.

Susan, I never heard of that story.

Karen T–

Eric’s story– I only recognized it when I saw it because I remembered the interview and feeling he was innocent—

I just went on philosophcop’s site– In Defense Of The Warrior Cop
Posted by philosophicalcop under police— he posted an article by John Will– and this article is a must read–

I also told him, Adam– you have a new thread- border control–
(doing some networking) Philosophcop writes very well—

Karen T– I wonder if Chavez’s home appliances are GE’s ?

There are a lot of GOOD people that are currently here illegally. Most of the illegals I know are very hard working, warm-hearted and genuine people. Their english is usually mas o menos, but that doesn’t offend me since the original immigrants to this country didn’t learn any native languages when they got here .

If the process of immigrating legally was made easier by our government (imagine the hassel of the DMV times a thousand), I’m sure we would see a decrease in the number of illegals. Then the people coming here for positive reasons would be more inclined to get here legally. The people who shouldn’t ever be allowed in our country would be the illegals and therefore easier to identify and deport.

Whatever happens, we must secure the borders. Hats off to the Border Patrol. I can’t imagine a more thankless job. They are portrayed as either doing too little or going too far. Thanks for showing us a little more of what they do, Adam.

(This came off of Numbers USA Website ~ there is more, here a small part)

The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants
Family Security Matters : January 10 , 2008 — by Deborah Schurman-Kauflin, Ph.D.

From the author: Please note: This study of illegal immigrants who committed sex crimes in the U.S. was NOT funded by anyone or any group. As a working profiler, I wondered what the statistics were regarding these crimes. I could not find any studies that discussed these offenses and the profile of the offenders, so I did the research myself. Additionally, I was not paid for publishing the results.

Introduction:

After conducting a 12-month in-depth study of illegal immigrants who committed sex crimes and murders for the time period of January 1999 through April 2006, it is clear that the U.S. public faces a dangerous threat from sex predators who cross the U.S. borders illegally.

There were 1,500 cases analyzed in depth. They included: serial rapes, serial murders, sexual homicides, and child molestation committed by illegal immigrants. Police reports, public records, interviews with police, and media accounts were all included. Offenders were located in 36 states, but it is clear that the most of the offenders were located in states with the highest numbers of illegal immigrants. California was number one, followed by Texas, Arizona, New Jersey, New York, and Florida.

Based on population numbers of 12,000,000 illegal immigrants and the fact that young males make up more of this population than the general U.S. population, sex offenders in the illegal immigrant group make up a higher percentage. When examining ICE reports and public records, it is consistent to find sex offenders comprising 2 percent of illegals apprehended. Based on this 2 percent figure, which is conservative, there are approximately 240,000 illegal immigrant sex offenders in the United States.

(This came off of Numbers USA Website ~ there is more, here a small part)

The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants
Family Security Matters : January 10 , 2008 — by Deborah Schurman-Kauflin, Ph.D.

From the author: Please note: This study of illegal immigrants who committed sex crimes in the U.S. was NOT funded by anyone or any group. As a working profiler, I wondered what the statistics were regarding these crimes. I could not find any studies that discussed these offenses and the profile of the offenders, so I did the research myself. Additionally, I was not paid for publishing the results.

Introduction:

After conducting a 12-month in-depth study of illegal immigrants who committed sex crimes and murders for the time period of January 1999 through April 2006, it is clear that the U.S. public faces a dangerous threat from sex predators who cross the U.S. borders illegally.

There were 1,500 cases analyzed in depth. They included: serial rapes, serial murders, sexual homicides, and child molestation committed by illegal immigrants. Police reports, public records, interviews with police, and media accounts were all included. Offenders were located in 36 states, but it is clear that the most of the offenders were located in states with the highest numbers of illegal immigrants. California was number one, followed by Texas, Arizona, New Jersey, New York, and Florida.

Based on population numbers of 12,000,000 illegal immigrants and the fact that young males make up more of this population than the general U.S. population, sex offenders in the illegal immigrant group make up a higher percentage. When examining ICE reports and public records, it is consistent to find sex offenders comprising 2 percent of illegals apprehended.

Based on this 2 percent figure, which is conservative, there are approximately 240,000 illegal immigrant sex offenders in the United States.

oops.. it did go thru…? sorry for the double post

Emily,

That the immigrations laws don’t suit the illegals’ fancy, well, so what? What sort of people obey the laws that suit them or those they agree with but blow off all the others? In America we have a name for people like that – criminals.

My life would be much better if bank robbery were legal. Since it’s not, and since it would improve my life, should I go ahead and rob banks? No? I hear an alarmingly high number of students don’t feel that cheating on tests is wrong. Is it any wonder that we’ve gone astray, and even make excuses for the illegals’ violations of our sovereignty? -Rod-

Rod,
I think too many parents have more money that time. Kids want time from their parents.

They don’t raise their kids w/ morals and values like they used to ….

When I was growing up.. I had a mom and a dad that took us to church … mom stayed home and took care of us and a dad that was actively involved with us.
I think the collapse of the family is a big problem… and God not being allowed anywhere.

I know when I was growing up… I was good b/c I knew God was watching and knew what I was doing. I knew I wanted to go to Heaven. I remember thinking that I knew I’d have to confess all my sins before God and everyone.. so I just saved myself the trouble and was good.

Susan: what website is Philosophcop?

Terri…………..I think today people can be “pre-approved” for their journey into the after-life. Quick and easy approval right over the phone for those with an exceptional sin to good deeds ratio. It’s really cutting down on the ever increasing amount of applications and interviews that have to be handled at The Gate…………..and it’s helping control those that are trying to gain access illegaly………….Yes, even The All Mighty is having a problem with illegals.

I just thought of what may be an interesting question for debate. Since many in this country are followers of the Christian faith and many of our laws are influenced by our beliefs………..the question is: Could, and would, Jesus Christ approve an immigration policy? If yes, then what kind of policy would that be?

BTW, my own “religious” followings are like my political followings………I’m an independent.

John the Jesus thing has gotten old ” what would jesus do” …. you usually got better jokes lol

I come from immigrants, Irish immigrants that were considered trash in their home country. They came to America seeking a better life. Through generations of hard work and education, our family has been prosperous. A good majority of us are veterans, having served in the enlisted ranks of the US Army. We all work hard, save our money, and prepare for our children to go farther than we did. This country is a country of immigrants, I believe our country is truly the last beacon of hope in this crazy ass world, and I would never want to deny that to anyone. The issue I take is illegal immigration and the crime it brings. We need to secure our borders and establish checkpoints that allow people to immigrate legally. they are photographed, finger printed, DNA tested, and assigned a real social security number. They are given conditional citizenship, as they go to work, pay taxes, learn out language, contribute to society, their citizenship is stepped up accordingly until they are full on citizens. As for the illegals that are already here, they should not be deported immediately, but they should be required to register within a time frame, receive their SSN, get photographed, etc. once that grace period is expired, if they are picked up and they cannot explain why they did not register, deport them. We are living in a different time, a different age, we need to keep our shores open to those desiring freedom and wanting to work hard for their spot in life, while blocking those that would do us harm. America needs to remain a beacon of hope or we are doomed.

good morning Max– go to the LAPD thread– he left Adam a post there and this is where you will find his name- and click on his name– he gave me permission to recommend him–

Derek– I think all of us came from immigrants at one point– Polish and Swede here– but given this day in time, our population has increased and continues to increase as well as the numbers increasing in crime– Our governor here is having to cut back on projects because funds are low– and this all has a trickling affect- I personally, think like Emily– in some ways– as I know many illegals– but these people are hard working and honest– but…..

I worked for John C. Lincoln- at the Children’s Dental Clinic- a non-profit clinic– John C. Lincoln, the one I worked for is in Sunnsylope, which is for the most part hispanic- I love the hispanics- being raised with them but I will say after awhile, I was extremely angry at the cheating— In order to become a part of the clinic, one had to meet the guidelines- and one of these was income- aside from all the different social security numbers I was given, they would only report one income of the several incomes coming into the household- they all had brand new vehicles and cell phones- and the women were always pregnant- (I use to ask them- Is this your last one? )
However, they would lie and fake their income and social security numbers to get the free assistance- We all knew these numbers and income were bogus– and here comes the kicker- But in order to keep the clinic running, we had to show an x amount of services being done and one of my jobs was to record all the procedures through the codes- and once a month I had to a report to send to the Director so he could send these reports to United and such agencies, so the clinic could be funded and it’s reputation and slogan- We care- could continue to operate– everyone cheated!

Now- today- I have issues– because I need the State’s help in order to keep a diabetic alive- and he is on disability- because he is truly disabled- and he is a diabetic– the only meds I ask for is his insulin- test strips- which would run me about $500.00 a month if I were to pay for it out of pocket– In the last two years, I have had to deal with the healthcare system– two years ago, AHCCS, went through a major change– the offsets- such as Mercy and a couple other agencies had to merge and close one of these down- because the funds are running low- and why is this- because every illegal and every loser is on the state plan- for food stamps and health care– and this really pisses me off– The Food Banks are to be used by the indigent and not by people who want freebies– it is in my opinion the illegals and those who use the system and soak it should have to be held accountable- as living here legally and go grocery shopping with the dollar and not a food stamp card- They seem to have more privileges than a veteran living off his social security and having to use the medical services of the Veteran’s hospital here, which I question as for efficiency-

Well, even the Bible says that we need to abide by the laws of our country (or something like that).

If illegals came here, paid their OWN way … paid their OWN medical … actually paid state and federal taxes, like we all do….. didn’t take jobs that Americans should be taking … bought car insurance for the cars they drive around in … you know, all the things WE have to do and to care for our own families… I wouldn’t be upset….

Only so many people can pile in a boat before it sinks. The American’s can’t pay for all the illegals coming over. If we used the money that we are paying for illegals, we could spend more money on trying to stop the illegal drugs being snuck in. We could build more prisons yada yada yada.

But that’s just me.

John:
Jesus says– Don’t cheat- He would probably want each government to take care of its people, and then there would be no hopping over the border and getting spray painted-

And where does your friend or friend’s friend live in Mexico City?

Avi…………I know that……….I just like throwing his name into a spirited debate and watch the results it has. Sometimes it has the same results as saying “sit” to a dog, everything gets real quite………..sometimes the result is like yelling “fire” in a crowded restaurant, all hell (pardon the pun) breaks loose. I’ve always been amazed how one name can stir up so much emotion.

Terri– hi–

I forgot the tax issue too- thanks for bringing that up– I drive from El Mirage to Surprise sometimes when I do the big shopping because the taxes in El Mirage are so much higher– but I am paying taxes with a legal bank account which came from funds from a legal social security number which my job has so I can pay state and federal taxes all year round—

You all have a good day– had to get my fix in–

John-

I like your question. Quite frankly I’m surprised more people don’t voice their opinion when they are Christians on here as stating that they seek their answer based on scripture. Example the death penalty- I often do. God instituted governments and He expects us to obey the laws of the government.
I don’t think Jesus would mind that there are laws for immigration. We can’t have people running around and living where ever they want to and come here and break the law. Many come to the US for a better life, but in doing so they break our laws of entry and many break a lot of other laws too. Our borders must be secure for anyone wanting to come here. I think Jesus would tell the US to ‘get your act together’.
We need to ensure the safety of our country and enforce our laws and be a responsible government. People who beak the law, need to suffer the consequences; They don’t get a free ride..the only thing that is free is God Love.

John- yelling fire in a crowded restaurant is not protected speech–

John says:
“I’ve always been amazed how one name can stir up so much emotion.”

Well, that name should make people stop and think and even quiver.

If there were less illegal immigrants then they could allow more people to enter the country legally.

Adam–

Thanks for mentioning Grisham whenever and however you did– because I had forgotten about him until you mentioned his name and I saw the book shortly after your mentioning him– maybe even that same day– (I am going to give you the credit) The Innocent Man is excellent– I still haven’t reached the part where Williamson gets convicted– I guess this one would be for the DP thread- an innocent man could have gone down– I didn’t even realize Barry Scheck played a role in this story– is Barry doing penance now for having helped release OJ? I alwys wondered that when he started his innocence project– He has done a great job in truly helping innocent people through DNA testing–

Anyhow, thanks for the heads up–

Anyone here from Ada, Oklahoma?

‘morning Adam.
You”ve been quiet. You have a story cooking or have a weekend thats all yours, for a nice change?

Hey Susan…missed you yesterday!

Hi everyone else!!

I know some in Ada, Susan.

I know we can’t go around the country and round up illegal immigrants. But when they get caught doing a crime, or even a minor traffic violation, the police should be reporting to ICE and they should be deported. That should be standard. I don’t know why they are releasing people who are here illegally and putting them back into our society. There has to be some desperation that the illegals feel. They’re probably making more than they did in Mexico, but our economy isn’t that great, you need a lot of money to get through just one month here. Some of them do not know any other life than a life of crime. I don’t see them forfeiting their values once they illegally move here.

That’s a very high number of rapists that Terry LV showed us. Just one rapists is one too many. Congress should be apologizing to the victims and their families for not protecting them. When they’re done apologizing Congress should get their act together and close the borders.

We’re just an accident waiting to happen. The danger that Adam and his crew are witnessing first hand right now is right at our border. These are violent criminals that want to come here and cause problems. They want our children to buy their drugs so they get richer, they will stop at nothing to get those drugs over here, so the use of deadly weapons goes right along with the drugs.

Then we have the terrorists groups from other countries who are watching this all go down. I would think the terrorists are analyzing our weak spots. That border and the Canadian border is not secure. I can easily see the terrorists groups filtering through these unsecure borders, either on their own ability or by paying the drug cartels to help them.

It’s a frightening thought to know that the sleeper cells can be here already, spread across the US, just waiting for their direction and orders to cause maximum damage to us. If they’re not here already, we’re just giving them an open invitation to come on over.

I don’t think that I’m stretching too far here. These are real possibilities and American citizens better keep this in mind when they go to vote. When it comes time for re-election of Congress Members, re-evaluate what they have done in the past to protect us from another 9/11, before you vote them back into office.

Right now, all I see coming from Congress are arguments, vacation breaks and concentration on Bills that are less important. Congress owes us all an apology.

Patty–

Grisham’s story takes place in Ada—
missed you too yesterday– and I am off again–

have a good day— hugs-

Congress needs to move to one of the borders– and see what is going on- (Karen)

Karen T……….you forgot to mention that they also just voted themselves a nice little $4100.00 annual raise………….so they must be doing a good job, right?

I’m sure someone’s already mentioned this(but ADD kicked in and I didnt read all the posts), but remember the texas border watch webcam that was set up and tested on a website a while back? You could see live feed and see them crossing into Texas and you could push a button to report them and within a few seconds it seemed you’d see the headlights of the border partol cars to pick up the illegals.

I’m personally tired of them being let go when they’re in an accident or get pulled over and don’t have the proper paper work. It’s getting really irritating. I was involved in an accident in which I was hit and injured by an uninsured, unlicensed, and illegal individual about 5 years ago; the police officer told me there was nothing he could do and he let them go. Why isn’t there SOMETHING they could do?! Then again, they wont get a license because they dont have paperwork so we can’t track them and fine them or call them at fault. I’m not talking about EVERY person, dont get me wrong. I just wish there were something law enforcement officers would do. We’d never be able to get away with the things they do. ~But maybe I just complain to much~ I am not sure.

Y’all have a great weekend.

Nic

John… you’ve got to be kidding! I didn’t hear anything about that.

Now my blood pressure is up again.

Terri,

You are right, the farms (pig & dairy) are hiring illegals. It is happening right in my very own county. There isn’t a person in this country that could convince me that the owners of these establishments don’t know their employees are illegal aliens. If i know it, they have to know it.
They do go to the bank to cash their checks which are cashed without a question because they are drawn from that bank. They do NOT have valid, United States id with a very few exceptions. The only reason we don’t have as much money sent outside of the country from here is because of the information required for a wire.
We will often get a truck or car full all in to cash their payroll checks and not one of them has a drivers license. The few times that they have gone into the ditch with a vehicle, the cops arrive to find no one there.
I have seen these things first hand.

Karen T………..watch you blood pressure but here’s the link to their pay raise http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,321445,00.html?sPage=fnc.politics/house

Your point is valid to complain about Nic-AL … Aren’t there States where the officials are telling the police officers to do nothing when they stop or arrest an illegal immigrant and the reasons are that it’s not their job to enforce illegal immigration or they don’t have the funds to do so?

But they’re putting them right back into our communities to commit more crimes. Whatever cost it was to arrest them the first time, the cost just doubles the second time. If the Federal Governement had control they would send the money to the states, have a Standardized process and eliminate the chance that State Officials or State Court Judges would enforce their own personal opinions.

This border issue is something that is affecting us Nationwide, not just State by State. Federal should be in control.

Nic-Al is right… we would never be able to get away with what happened in that incident! It seems more like the illegal immigrants have more control than we do. They’re even contolling our government at all levels.

John.. you big sillly!!! You crack me up.

Yep, my husband is a police officer even … was rear ended (at a red light) while on duty … by a drunk illegal alien that tried to flee … no car insurance or license of course…

hubby had to go to ER blah blah blah … smashed up vehicle….he’s okay and all … but guess who pays?? US!

nothing happend to the illegal … never even went to court…

I never gave illegal immigration much thought … it bugged me and all in the past …

but it wasn’t until our ordeal spending 6 months in the hospitals … and seeing the kind of things I saw in regards to healthcare, that I really started to have major fits.
I wanted to scream.

That was a real kick in the butt John! That’s not right, they’re not doing a good job. That’s just rewarding them for doing nothing.

Have you noticed how quiet Nancy Palosi and Harry Reid have been lately?

Nic-Al,

I was part of that program for awhile and thought it was a worthwhile endeavor. I only had to alert them once, when I saw a group coming across the river at night. The trouble is the feed was so slow to update, overloaded maybe, that I probably missed many others. I believe it’s going to come back online soon if it hasn’t already. -Rod-

Nic-Al,

That is a pathetic story. I agree with you and I am frankly sick of it. We had an illegal alien kill a passenger in her car when she was intoxicated and actually drove through a store front. After the accident it was discovered that she had been collecting welfare money illegally. This was only this past summer and to the best of my knowledge she is already out of jail. She was not deported and her “sentence” was basically a slap on the hand. There don’t seem to be any clear cut procedures on dealing with these situations and so they will continue to escalate. The passenger was also an illegal alien. I think she was ordered to pay back the money, but how do they ever expect to collect if she has no job and her fiance doesn’t “officially” collect a pay check? Its like a never ending cycle of garbage. I would like to think that my status as a legal US citizen gave me some form of protection against those that are here illegally, but I don’t believe that at this point.

John, you have GOT TO BE KIDDING ME…
our do nothing Congress got a raise???????????????????? Geez Louise.

Terri… that’s got to be frustrating! There was a case last year where an illegal brutally raped a young girl, they let him out and he raped again, but this time killed the girls.

If one of us was the person that ran into your husband, we would not have gotten away with any of it. Just not fair.

After reading some of these posts ….

they remind me of the fact that healthcare workers used to tell us that it was a shame that we weren’t illegal (when we had ran out of health insurance for the baby) …. because had our baby been born to an illegal … he would have been eligible for full medical benefits by Medicaid…

we of course, didn’t qualify b/c we “earned too much” (trust me, no one earns too much when it comes to paying medical expenses like ours were) … and here my husband is a born American, tax paying, Gulf War Vet and a PO that puts his life on the line every single day.

The whole thing would be kind of funny if it weren’t the truth.
I will always be upset over that fact… but it is a raw nerve.

My husband would be ever so happy if I could just drop it and let it go.

He reminds me that it is not Christian to be bitter… so I do pray that I wil get over it.

I don’t think we are speaking loud enough to our government. And if we are, then they’re not listening and will continue to go about what they want to do.

When Lacy Peterson was killed, her mom was able to get a law passed pretty quickly that said if you murder a pregnant woman, you will be charged with 2 murders.

When Jessica Lunsford was killed, her dad was able to get Jessica’s Law passed pretty quickly that increases penalties for pedophiles.

Why can’t a law be passed when a US Citizen gets killed or raped by an illegal that says they need to be deported once caught. Or when they get caught with drugs the law should read that they get deported immediately, as to reduce the risk of the drugs filtering down to our children.

And why should this even have to lobbied? Our safety and well being should come first, at least before they get their pay increase.

Terri,

You and your husband are the perfect example of why illegal immigration is a problem and why it isn’t working.

We have a two income family and we are going broke over taxes, health care premiums, medicines, all the things that come with home ownership…doesn’t seem right.

You can put it away in the back of your mind Terri, I hope the danger that Adam is seeing at the border will not cross over to our side and turn the lives of other Americans upside down.

Exactly, Karen and Kristin~

Why won’t our Government DO SOMETHING? In my circle..we discuss this, and we just don’t get it? Our politicians should work for US… the American public… not people that are in this country illegally.

We pay their salary. I feel they are betraying us in so many ways.

Karen T,

Good points. What you said about the laws, our government not listening, those are all valid. The only difference I can see is that there seems to be an outcry that people are truly upset about illegal immigration. What I don’t see is a common direction on what needs to be done. If there was one group that people could put their effort towards, one voice out there getting the media coverage, the opportunities to plead their cases to the lawmakers, that might help.
It seems that there are tons of stories of injustices out there, but I would like to see one very united, big front. It is possible that there is one out there and I just haven’t seen it. I have seen hispanic lawyers and community activists coming publically the aid of illegals when they are in a bind, who comes to the aid of the legal citizens?
Example: If we had one organization that was national like, “US Citizens for Legal Immigration” and every time that someone’s child or husband or mother were killed, raped, assaulted by an illegal alien, they were right there tending to the victim and callling press conferences, it wouldn’t be long before it would be noticed. Just an idea.

I hate to do this, but I watch Glenn Beck whenever possible and I wish to the good Lord that he was on Fox. He brings a lot of these little cases up on his show and I really appreciate the media coverage from him.

Kristen… Glenn Beck and Lou Dobbs are doing a great job in keeping us informed. Not only illegals, but other very serious matters. I DVR both shows so that we don’t ever miss.

Kristin-

Glenn Beck is a good thing.

Kristin,
I got to thinking…
We testified before the legislators and I did mention the whole baby of illegal deal … in regards to healthcare benefits…

someone in Carson City got up and said that we were misinformed and it was not true … which I’m NOT misinformed … it IS true.. anyone can go ask a social worker or healhcare worker…

heck.. even a Senator that I speak with, knows it’s true…

it’s almost like our leaders don’t want the general public to know how it really is.

Terri
BTW I never put Glenn Beck in CNN catagory becasue he’s on a different channel here than Larry King – stupid.
I watch him but not as religiously as you.

Wow awesome story line you guys have going on here. I’ve been lurking while working.
Now if we could figure out how to scream it from the front doors of courthouses to be heard!
Its odd, this is one story that cant be “debated”, everyone pretty much agrees that we have a serious problem, and its growing by the hour.

That congress raise thing always p*sses me off! They have done nothing but act like 5 yr olds, bickering back and forth. Those that are barely making it can’t get a raise, why should these people?

Jen S…
that is funny! It does seem odd that Glenn is on CNN, doesn’t it??

Adam is really missing in action. He must have really bad reception like he said yesterday, or he went too far over the border.

Jen…maybe he’s still “playing” target practice.

John-

No real spirited debate on your WWJD question from this morning.
Maybe my answer covered it all. Ha!
Or they are all sitting like obedient dogs.

Just thought I’d chime in. I’m in AZ, like Susan, but further south. Illigal immigration causes myriad problems down here, but so many people are afraid to say anything because if they do they are immediately labeled as racist. Sometimes that’s the case, but not always. Saying that it’s too hard to get here legally is disingenuous. Many people do it all of the time. No, it’s not easy, but nothing that is important is easy. My father and my mother-in-law are both naturalized citizens; my family should know. Why should proximity mean that illegals from Mexico should get an automatic exemption or “jump the line” when it comes to coming to the US? That’s one of the things that really annoys people who follow the rules, swear to uphold the constitution and become contributing members of our society.

A number of the people coming over are hard-working folk who just want a better life for themselves, that I do not doubt. Having lived in a latin American country for two years, I can understand why and I can sympathize. But if a person comes here illegally, it already sets up a mind set that shows a disregard for our laws and lawful behavior that our country asks of its residents. With the tightening of border corridors, more illegals are making deals with “coyotes” who say they will transport them across safely. Unfortunately many of these coyotes are tied in w/the drug cartels who either lessen their fees or make it a condition of their crossing to transport drugs as well, escalating the slide into antisocial and criminal behavior.

Part of the mindset that causes illegals from Mexico and Latin America to be more liable to engage in criminal behavior is cultural. Corruption and graft is a way of life, which dates back to the colonial era. The Conquistadors were often very minor or illigetimate offspring of nobility who came over to get as much as they could and set themselves up as they “deserved”. Unlike our founding fathers who fled religious persecution and then tried to set up a government that prevented others from being presecuted for their religious beliefs, many of these people perpetuated systems they felt treated them unfairly and even exacerbated the problem. To this day there are the very wealthy families and there is “everybody else” in these countries. Most of the wealthy can trace their lineage back to Europeans and there is still alot of classism and predjudice based on ancestry and skin color or “indio” blood. Culturally, corruption, grafts and bribes are seen as “victimless” crimes and the family is everything, superceding law and government. Again, setting up an attitude that lends itself for the disregard of law abiding behavior. What’s sad is that these are the very people who would form the basis of a revolution if they stayed in Mexico to try and effect change – which is one of the many reasons why their government has no interest in stopping the flow of illegals.

For those of you who cite religious understanding for those who are disadvantaged, remember that Jesus also said, “give unto Ceasar what is Ceasar’s”. This in response to Pharises who were trying to get him to speak out against the law of Rome. Helping the poor doesn’t mean you have to help them break the law.

One of the things that really bugs me about illegal immigrants is what it does to the school system. Here are some links to articles about kids crossing the border to take advantage of our free education w/out paying anything into the system.
http://www.tucsonweekly.com/gbase/Currents/Content?oid=oid%3A55689
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22454322/
The law says that you have to allow illegals to go to school here. But these kids aren’t even residents! We recently had a case where a high school student was caught posessing drugs and, when the school found he was illegal as well, turned him over to the police and immigration. The students marched in protest and now the school system said they won’t call the police. Is that ridiculous, or what?

The one thing that I really get upset about is business. The bottom line – they wouldn’t come if there wasn’t work available. And I am really suspicious that our government has no interest in solving the problem – if they weren’t illegal they couldn’t be as easily exploited.

Jen…i had waited for that also, but you pretty much did say it all! *S*

The border paatrol guys in jail had their trial…like it or not on the decision that is the system…making Mexico a territory like PR is a horrible idea. That country is so screwed up and currupt that any country would be crazy to want any affiliation with them. All they do is take take take from the USA economy and give nothing back except to take jobs away from Americans. The illegals should all be rounded up by any means possible and deported asap. If the parents aren’t American citizens then the child shouldn’t be granted it either (law needs to be changed). That country offers the USA nothing but more trouble and crime. We need to build a big fence and electrify it like around US prisons and Government bases. If the illegals attack our border patrol guards they should retaliate in like kind and measure. This is our country the USA and not the mexicans or the canadiens or any other NON US citizens to demand entry into….

Comment by Rod Venger
January 11th, 2008 at 3:44 am

Rod –
Illegal is illegal. You are right. All I’m saying is having dealt with many government offices myself I have no respect for the bureaucratic BS that over complicates the most simple of processes. If candidates were screened and the “worthy” ones were allowed to immigrate legally and quickly, then logically the illegals would be the bad people that couldn’t pass the screening and then no one would complain about having them deported. As for illegals getting health benefits, welfare, etc. once again another bureaucratic mess that should never have happened.

I know, it’s pathetic. I work for a repair shop and I see people that constantly have to pay because they’re hit by the uninsured illegals (and uninsured period). We’d never be able to get away with it. I didnt have my insurance card with me one night and the ‘nice’ officer threatened to tow my vehicle before I had my husband drive to meet me with the insurance card.

Forgot to mention earlier, a friend of mine was in an accident with 3 gentlemen. One had proof of insurance, one had a green card, and one had a valid driver’s license….they combined all the info and handed it to the officer and they let them go. She never saw a dime and her insurance went up!!

I dont know how the discussion went from border partol being attacked to uninsured illegals….haha

Nic, AL

Adam

I disagree that you can’t deport them.. I understand what you are saying but as long as we allow our own laws to protect them then we will never be successful.

1. CONGRESS NEEDS TO STICK WITH THE READ ID PROGRAM. MAY TAKE A FEW YEARS BUT NO ID NO JOB.

2. WE NEED TO STOP ALL THE LAWSUITS FILED BY THE ACLU THAT ARE DRAGGGING THIS PROCESS OUT. DO WE NOT REALISE THAT THE ACLU IS USING OUR LAWS AS THE SWORD TO KILL US WITH.

3. INSTEAD OF SENDING OUR TROOPS TO IRAQ AND SECURING THEIR BORDERS WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT THE HOMEFRONT AND REALISE WE ARE UNDER ATTACK JUST AS ANY OTHER NATION IN THE MIDDLEEAST.

4. CONGRESS NEEDS TO PASS A SECURITY BILL THAT NOT ONLY WOULD DETER ACLU FROM LAWSUITS BUT LOCAL GOVT’S FROM STOPPING THE FEDERAL GOVT. FROM ENFORCING THE LAWS… HIT THEM WHERE IT COUNTS IN THEIR FEDERAL BUDGETS.

THE MINUTE WE DECIDE WE ARE DEFEATED …THEN WE WILL BE….THERE ARE MANY WAYS TO FORCE ILLEGALS TO GO HOME BUT BY SPEAKING OUT AND SAYING THIS SUDDENLY WE ARE HATERS….I PERSONALLY DON’T WANT TO BE SITTING ON ANOTHER PLANE AND HAVE IT GROUNDED BEFORE FLIGHT SO I CAN FIND OUT AGAIN THAT WE WERE ATTACKED…THIS TOPIC MAKES ME SICK SIMPLY BECAUSE WE ARE SO WORRIED ABOUT EVERYONE ELSES “HUMAN RIGHTS” WE FORGET THAT ALL IT TAKES IT ONE PERSON TO SNEAK ACROSS OR ONE PERSON TO GET PISSED AND GET IN THIS COUNTRY AND WHERE WILL WE BE THEN….SAYING…..I WISH?

I AM WILLING TO OPEN MY LIFE TO THE GOVT. TO ENSURE OUR COUNTRIES SAFETY. MAYBE NOT EVERYONE FEELS THIS WAY BUT I REALLY THINK THEY HAVE BETTER THINGS TO DO THEN WATCH AND TRACK MY BORING LIFE.

Terri,

You are not misinformed. I have personally cashed welfare checks to people that I know to be illegal aliens. As far as the health care issue goes. I had a friend that worked the emergency room at LA County General and you are right again. They have to receive medical treatment, they cannot be denied. Most of them have no “permanent” address for bills to be sent and so on.
Even IF they didn’t get the childbirth itself for free (which they do) they have a legal, US citizen living in their home now that is entitled to an education on our soil, paid for by the taxpayers…again…FREE to them. Just imagine the headlines if you try to now deport these parents whose child is attending school in our country.
I have seen personal examples of this myself. Anyone who wants to say that you are misinformed is either believing the wrong person or reading some seriously incorrect statistics.

John:”He also said that RUMOR by some Mexican government officials that he has spoken with are saying that the US and Mexican governments are aware of the impending problems and are working on a scenario where Mexico would become a commonwealth of the US.”

That is a ludicrous idea. The last thing this country needs is another 20-30 million illiterate heavy breeders coming in with no marketable skills, and no desire to assimilate; just like the majority of the previous 30 million and their offspring.

Comment by Junesse
January 11th, 2008 at 2:31 pm

Great post!

Well, I am going to homeschool my little one…
our public schools are sooo dumbed down for the non English speaking kids….. here in LV over 55% of the kids in our public schools are Hispanic and from what I’m hear, most of that 55% does not speak English…

so..
I will be sure my son gets the best education and religious upbringing. He will say the Pledge using God’s name in it.

ADAM-

HOW LONG DO YOU THINK IT IS GOING TO TAKE FOR THE DRUG CARTELS TO START KILLING BORDER AGENTS AND TAKING THEIR UNIFORMS FOR A WAY TO COVER THEIR ACTIVITIES AT NIGHT ?

Janis….actually the idea would prevent another 20 to 30 million from coming across the border. These are speculated numbers if there is a collapse of the Mexican economy (which may happen if present conditions persist) then these people would flee north to the US.

Just a little note from Boston here. We are so over run with illegals that several stops on the Blue Line subway are in Spanish only- no English! East Boston used to be Italian but is now strictly Hispanic and I would dare anyone to try to find one sign in English. We joke about taking our Passports to East Boston. You can thank your local liberals and their “sanctuary cities” for helping create this crisis. Just a note: the Gov. of Mass., Deval Patrick, is now trying to pass legislation allowing illegal aliens to pay reduced rates for college tuition, ie, resident rates. Outrageous!

ACLU is really the IACLU

Illegal Alien Civil Liberty Union.

Isn’t there a book out there called..
Without A Single Shot … my husband was telling me about it.

They taking over without a single shot ~ they do say “it’s their land”… doncha know.

The reason there will never be a resolution to this crisis is that the vast majority of illegals not just Mexicans, vote democrat. The size of that electorate keeps the likes of Kennedy and Pelosi and
Hairy Reed in office. They pander to the something for nothing crowd which is why we are close to having 50% of the workers in this country that pay NO TAXES. That is a crime but as long as Americans want someone else to foot the bill the democrats will oblige by turning their head! Whatever happened to individual responsibility?

I live near the Border in El Paso , Texas. The fellows with the sheriff’s dept. and our local
police dept. have told me we really need the ARMY on the border. I don’t understand why
the media chooses not to focus on the problem !

For some unknown reason the media is not interested in the truth. The people crossing our
border are here either for welfare or to steal , except for those running drugs.

They have ruined our hospitals and our schools. They don’t carry auto insurance so if they
are involved in an accident they run back to Mexico.

We need help !!!

Freedom isn’t free, just ask any one of the 416,800 G I’s buried in Europe. So with that being said and rumors of Mexico Invading America may I suggest that every able bodied Mexican national male or female over the age of 18 make an attempt to take back your country? Freedom didn’t come free in this country. Your here because you people do not have the backbone to stand up and fight for your freedom. I pay too much for health care and every day friends of mine employed at Hospitals tell me about another child born to Mexican Nationals with out papers. All the while my health insurance skyrockets. May I suggest you immigrate to France, you will be welcome there I am sure. If not, may I suggest you pick up a rifle and defend yourselves and your country

Bob L.. you are spot on.

I just got this from Grassfire ~ they want us to fax or email the Presidential Candidates. You can get fax numbers from Grassfire.

We are a nation of laws-not lawlessness. We are a nation of order-not chaos. I implore you to use your platform to call for real border security and no amnesty for the illegal aliens who are threatening our nation with their unlawful invasion.

Americans aren’t fooled by the amnesty double-speak. Americans want strict border security and no amnesty. It would be a wise candidate that used his/her platform to embrace real border security.

I simply cannot support, nor will I tolerate any candidate who refuses to listen to the voice of the people. True border security-without an amnesty is the only option, and I urge you to publicly champion such a measure.

Pay the Mexican Military to patrol our border. Pay a bounty on illegals, drug runners and coyotes for each capture.
Not only will they use deadly force, but no one will call it a problem.

You can go to Grassfire.org to get different versions of letters…
and you can get the fax numbers.

Adam said “don’t see how it is feasible to try and deport up to 10 million people or more, it would be impossible.”

We have to make them WANT to leave.
How?
We pass a law:
“In 90 days, any illegal person(s) residing in the USA will have all their possessions taken and will be jailed for 1 year, in the desert, in a tent city.
The possessions will be sold to pay for their cost to feed, house and provide the most basic health care.
Children will accompany their parents in the tent cities.
Upon release, they will be taken back to their home country.
2nd offense will result in 5 years, 3rd for 10″

Or something like that…IF we’re serious.

In the words of Donny Baker…….”Man that’s bad ass!!!”

Wan’na know what’s wrong with America?

As of 6:50pm EST, there have been 240 posts here in about a 24 hour period, dealing with a subject matter that some people are calling a major problem and maybe the most important issue we’ve had to deal with in modern times………immigration policy and reform.

In a 4 hour period, on the same blog, the plight of one 60 something retired footbal player/actor has earned 294 posts.

Don’t forget guys and gals we need to mention the 14th Amendment that gives illegal children the American benefits. Let me tell you a story here..in Kentucky….I have worked in restaurants for 15 years and we all know you can’t go into a restaurant these days without being overwhelmed with illegals…well around here anyway…..Young illegal girl (20) pregnant with her 4th child….3 other children were born here in the USA …after the birth of the 3rd child she decided she was going back to Mexico……waited for kids passports (ended up staying longer then planned cause it took longer to get their passports) went back home to Mexico..about 4 months later she showed back up at work again and again she was pregnant….. I asked her if she went “home’ and she said yes..I asked how her kids were and she stated they were still in Mexicco with her family…I asked hy she came back…so she could have her baby here…….ok here comes the best part….For this company I was a shift manager..I had access to the office and all employee files….This girl came into work one day while I was on duty and she handed me a paper from the dept. of family and children…..She needed it filled out so she cold get medical and social benfits while she was pregnant….i laid in on the desk and DID NOT fax it to the home office…..The next day I returned to work and I foound the paper again laying on the desk…I was looking at it and noticed on the spot where list
“the members of your family in your home” the kids name that were still in mexico were listed on there as well..I told the manager about our conversation (he knows she is illegal…don’t doubt for one second) he took the paper and faxed it knowing she was committing fraud and told me that it isn’t my place to police the illegals. Unless we stoop it at the employers it isn’t going to stop along with social programs and schools.

PS….I don’t work for company anymore

Comment by John
January 11th, 2008 at 7:05 pm

John… sadly…
there would be even more comments to posts about Britney… Lindsay etc…

not enough people care about what is REALLY going on in America …

they care more about Hollyweird peeps, and seems like Drew P, too.

Mexican soldiers found invading United States
Government report documents dozens of armed campaigns in Texas, Arizona

worldnetdaily.com has an article about over 140 incursions into the US by Mexican soldiers and police.

Donny………Glenn Beck had a Texas sherrif on his show some time ago that said the same thing. Apparently these Mexican troops are going to stores and truck stops inside the US to re-supply their units that are stationed along the TEX/MEX border with food and water. IMO, that’s yet another sign that the Mexican government is incapable of running it’s country………..I mean if they can’t even supply their own troops with basic necessities, how are they going to control the smuggling of drugs and illegals across the border? Just think of the morale problems they must be incurring.

Adam………..I’m not “dissing” (susan’s new favorite word) you, or FOX for what you decide to cover. All news should be reported so we the viewers get to see and decide. I’m just observing an interesting trend in our society and getting my two cents worth……………….got change for a nickle?

I do agree that Fox has been wonderful about reporting on border issues.

Immigration Si !!! Illegal No !!!

I question why it is so impossible to deport some 10 million illegals? Recent studies have shown that a computation of the continued support of the illegals from all government & private resources (diverted from legal residents and citizens) would far surpass the cost of the deportation of the same number of people.

The recent prosecutions & disciplinary actions against our Officers & Agents on the Border have been widely publicized in Latin America. The publicity has only emboldened those Latinos wanting to cross the border illegally. They would like nothing better than to cause further ‘embarassment’ to the USA, the Border Patrol, etc. in order to cause more and more controversy and confusion on the part of the citizens and leaders in the US.

The fact that we have over-zealous Federal Prosecutors that appear to be acting at the behest of our sitting (on his hands) President, does nothing to dissuade the potential illegals from trying to cause an “international” incident.

There is also the ‘back’ story regarding the apparent groundwork being laid for a North American Union similar to the European Union…..with Open Borders, a common currency (the Amero) and a usurping of National Sovereignty and the US Constitution.

I am seriously worried that this nation will not resemble anything like what I grew up to love, respect & serve.

SJB

John–Everybody likes to comment on the news when it pertains to Animals.
Look at the tiger threads too…ha

Aritha-That’s a pitiful story.

Terri- Next stop Grassfire.

Junesse says: Helping the poor doesn’t mean you have to help them break the law.

I say: Amen.

I recently saw the 14th Amendment was cited as the reason children of illegals are immediately allowed citizenship. The reason, is the interpretation has been extended from its original meaning. The Bill of Rights and original Constitution made no provision for immediate citizenship.

The portion of the amendment which could be challenged, is the “and of the State wherein they RESIDE”. The word “reside” is not defined. But, could a woman entering the country simply to give birth really be a resident of the state?

Consider this, a person from one state who elects to attend college in another state is required to pay “out of state tuition”. However, this same person can elect to establish “residency”, but this usually requires “living in the state a minimum of 6 months – and most are 1 year!

And, how do they establish “residency”? The usual requirements are: show a legal address on your drivers license issued in the state in which you are seeking residence, have your vehicle registered in that state, show valid employment – i.e. pay stubs, tax forms.

So, again, why do illegal aliens (they are not immigrants, in my mind) get a pass on these rules?

Below is just the first portion of the 14th Amendment – the one cited by all as to why a child born here is “entitled” to be an immediate citizen.

Amendment 14 – Citizenship Rights. Ratified 7/9/1868. Note History

1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

What was the purpose of the 14th Amendment?

The 14th was designed to ensure that all former slaves were granted automatic United States citizenship, and that they would have all the rights and privileges as any other citizen. The amendment passed Congress on June 13, 1866, and was ratified on July 9, 1868

source of above: http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html

Oh, and my point, in that rather long post:

The only citizens born in the USA are those born to citizens and legal immigrants.

We should’ve built a wall across the southern border just like they had in Berlin … with snipers and sharpshooters taking out anybody who tried to take their skanky asps across the border illegally …

Not all those who cross illegally are from Mexico … A LOT are from Guatemala …

I’m not a racist, I am a patriotic American …

BUT …

I used to work at a company in Los Angeles that had absolutely NO PROBLEM with knowingly hiring illegal aliens … They also hired “white” people to the “face” & “voice” of the company … The illegals got paid the SAME amount as the “whites” … Though, they got paid in cash (so they had no deductions from their pay) … The illegals (as well as the legal employees of Hispanic descent) were treated BETTER than the whites because the owners were Sephardic Jews (the ones that the muslims started kicking out of Spain in the 1100s-1200s & later) … The owners would talk to the hispanics in Spanish, even though they all spoke English … Some of the illegals were from Mexico & some were from Guatemala … If something went wrong with the clientele, it was the whites that would always have to “fix” the mess & placate the clientele … When disgruntled employees would call the Feds, they’d just scoff it off … We tried INS (immigration & naturalization service) & they didn’t care … We tried the IRS because the owners kept 2 sets of books & the IRS didn’t care … Heck, LAPD didn’t even care and some were regular clientele (& 1 officer was even married to an employee) …

There was one ironic thing – 2 of the illegals looked down on the others (Those two were actually much better educated than the others – Even more surprising was they spoke better English than people born here in the US – They didn’t even really have an accent either) … It was strange to see basically a class warfare between illegals (even from the same country) …

Wow….
I feel in my heart that we are losing our country…

This will not be the same place I grew up in… in the next 20 years…
so sad…

with all the jobs being outsourced … all the illegals …. *shakes head*

all I can do is pray for our country and for our lawmakers to do the right thing.

There would be a giant difference between a wall built between the USA & Mexico and the Berlin Wall……

……..the Berlin Wall was built to keep the Communist Government’s Citizens in their country….the wall on our southern border would be built to keep other countries citizens OUT of our country…….

Not one citizen or legal resident of this country should have to go hungry, be denied a job, education or government benefits because an illegal is getting any of those benefits.

The illegals should not EVER have the same rights that I have.

The only rational solution is to first INVITE all illegals to return to their original country voluntarily and do it with the whole family and all their money & property. Those that choose to stay and take their chances should then be apprehended and sent to Deportation Centers. Where their cases can be decided in a Quick & Speedy Process. Then deported to their country of origin.

Those that have stayed should have their property & funds seized in order to finance their sheltering while awaiting a Deportation Hearing and to send them (& their families) back to their country of origin.

Deportation Centers could be set up at former Military Bases that have been closed by the Pentagon & Congress, thus the facilities would already be available for housing & security and even transportation via aircraft/runways/etc.

Just as the United States cannot be the World Police Force, we cannot take the total number of refugees, undesireables and unwanted of the entire world.

SJB

Adam
Why could we not build a huge wall around our border? Like the Great Wall of China. Has any one in our government ever taken a serious look at this question? Do you think it would go against our beliefs in this country to live in a “free” environment? I am not suggesting holding any one in our country from leaving, but illegal trespassers out. I think we should welcome people that are going through our legal channels of becoming a citizen, but not the people that flee across the line. The other comment that I want to make is: How do these people live here that come across the border? How do they rent a place to stay or get a vehicle etc. with no ID or social security card? Maybe I live in a sheltered environment here in Chattanooga (although we do have a large population of illegal people working in the carpet mills near here in Dalton, GA) but ever where that I have tried to live or buy a car requires some sort of ID.

Check this out..
a serial child rapist caught…

an illegal alien…..

oh but don’t ask Hillary…… as she said in Las Vegas….there is no illegal woman or illegal man.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,322416,00.html

“Adam-’While your plan would possibly accomplish your opinion on illegal immigration, institution it would be impossible. It would be tied up in American courts and/or with American lawmakers.’

Until we make a reason to entice their departure there’ll be a problem.
I know my idea was too extreme but had hoped someone -with more smarts than me- might have some input on such a way.
Obviously, a plan to remove the incentive to come here is needed but then again, thats not how we’re fighting our ‘War on Drugs”.
As long as there’s a market for the goods or services…blah, blah..
Thanks for your input.

I cannot believe how one comment is suddenly the gospel here. Our own economy is on the verge of collapse, then what we will have our own internal strife with hungry, cold, stupid people.
Let the border guards do what the majority of Americans want and discourage and slow down the trafficking as much as possible. We really need/want what they are doing and more.

Adam,
on behalf of the men and women that I work with, thank you for your efforts to shed light on the border and inspire dialogue.

Jim

Adam,

Thank you for your intrest in our border security mission and the recent trip to our Border Patrol Sector. The story was well done and provided a rare glimpse into the inherent dangers that my agents face each and every day protecting America. Keep up the great work and visit us again soon.

Very Respectfully,

Mike Fisher
Chief Patrol Agent
San Diego Sector
U.S. Border Patrol

Government is trying to rid the Border Patrols by imprisoning them so it can become one nation with Mexico and Canada. It is the goal of the government to get rid of the border. Check out the new DVD that explains why congress is refusing to protect our borders even 6 years after the devastating impact of 9/11 movie is “Endgame: Blueprint for Global Enslavement” available at netflix

Government is trying to rid the Border Patrols so it can become one nation with Mexico and Canada. It is the goal of the government to get rid of the border. Check out the new DVD that explains why congress is refusing to protect our borders even 6 years after the devastating impact of 9/11 movie is “Endgame: Blueprint for Global Enslavement” available at netflix