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Here is the latest I have learned from reports tonight explaining the growing tensions in South America.

- All three countries are ratcheting up their rhetoric.

-Ecuador’s Rafael Correa visited Peru to begin a tour soliciting Latin American backing for sanctions against Colombia. This is in response to Saturday’s attack, when soldiers from Colombia went into Ecuador to hunt guerrillas from the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia, who use the frontier region as a sanctuary.

-Colombian President Álvaro Uribe announced that he will ask the International Criminal Court to bring genocide charges against Venezuela’s Hugo Chávez, whom he has accused of sympathizing with the rebel group.

-Colombian officials contend that computer documents recovered in Saturday’s cross-border raid revealed that Ch¿vez had given more than $300 million to the FARC, the Marxist insurgency that has battled the Colombian government for more than 40 years.

-President Bush said Tuesday “I told the president that America fully supports Colombia’s democracy and that we firmly oppose any acts of aggression that could destabilize the region,” Bush said at the White House. “I told him that America will continue to stand with Colombia as it confronts violence and terror and fights drug traffickers.”

 

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Comment by Marie

Hello. I see everyone is taking it easy.

If you click on the link the first two photos from top to bottom are aerial views of the FARC camp where Reyes was caught. The third shows some of the things in the camp, like a DirecTV antenna! Who said you have to be out of touch if you’re in the jungle?

 
Comment by Patty

if you follow that boeing link above…in the upper right corner is a link back to the webpage…there are quit a few articles on there if you are interested.

 
Comment by Patty

K2 & Rod…the Beoing story…thanks!

Here’s a different spin on it…
http://www.kansas.com/news/v-print/story/332797.html

Definilty going to be one of those stories that has many “tails”. No one will ever know for sure what the deal was. Its really fired up on the local newscasts around here.
I still profoundly do not agree with using another country for our miliary budget dollars.

 

I wonder what happened to Boeing, Karen? Maybe they just have too much work on their plate and can’t handle more jobs? -Rod-

 
Comment by Karen2 (K2)

Rod – if you come back here….. you may find this opinion piece of interest – RE: Boeing —

http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/defense/

…”Northrop Grumman’s victory was not a close outcome.”

While both Boeing and Northrop Grumman satisfied requirements established by the Air Force, Northrop was clearly the better buy. With Northrop, the military could have “49 superior tankers operating by 2013,” Thompson said, while Boeing’s proposal would give it “only 19 considerably less capable planes” by then.

 
Comment by Susan-AZ

good night now-

LDG- Hope you are having a good day!

 
Comment by Susan-AZ

and this one Marie-

As I stated earlier in this thread it’s “known” that the FARC come to Venezuela for R&R. There’s a saying in Venezuela that “very little can be hidden between the sun and the earth and word leaks out. Barinas is a good bet – Hugo’s father is the governor and various and sundry brothers and cousins hold key local government posts. It has also been “rumored” for some time now that Marulanda is ill and a guest of the regime. Venezuelan opinion is that the sabre rattling and troop movements were to protect Hugo’s “partners” and his honored guest and nothing more.
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Interesting tidbit about Hugo’s father– and Barinas!

 
Comment by Susan-AZ

I am still at it– reading your posts again Marie–

Now I know what a Kalashnikov is– (your post about Hugo’s thugs and the rifles)

Russia is expected to start delivering several Sukhoi fighter jets, Mi-24 armored helicopter gunships and Kalashnikov AK-103 assault rifles to Venezuela this year, said Mark Joyce, America’s Editor at Jane’s Country Risk, a branch of Jane’s Intelligence Review, which monitors arms procurement worldwide.

 
Comment by Susan-AZ

Well Marie, LDG, et al-

thanks for all the info you have provided to me– this quite a learning experience for me–

I appreciate the time and patience you give-

buenas noches-

Hope you are getting some rest, Adam- our fine host!

 
Comment by Susan-AZ

The carne de res comes from Argentina and Nicaragua?

 
Comment by Susan-AZ

I found it– it worked-

He has been shopping- if I read it correctly, looks like these or much of it is coming from the port La Guaira-

It clearly makes some sense– why all this shopping when he wasn’t too concerned about food before?

 
Comment by Marie

Susan:
try this and you will find the link there for the purchases:

http://www.noticierodigital.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=351379

 

K2,

I suspect that Boeing didn’t get the contract because of those shady dealings. It would have looked like we were just giving it all a wink and a nod if we’d awarded Boeing the contract.

The trouble is, we’re shooting ourselves in the foot. No way should we rely on foreigners for defense-related materials. We even take a risk using foreign-made computer parts. I sure hope we aren’t going to use foreign maintainence crews for these planes. Remember what we did to the Iranians when the Shah was booted out? We’d sold Iran a bunch of F-15’s (which they still have, sitting around like paperwights) and when they Ayatollah’s took over we pulled our maintainence crews out. Those crews had the foresight to screw up the plane’s avionics before they left. I’d have to research it but I think they messed with the targeting systems, making them useless. We do not want to put ourselves into a similar position. Frankly I think our KC135’s are just fine. -Rod-

 
Comment by Susan-AZ

K2-

NITE!

Adam has a new thread! He did come back-

 
Comment by Susan-AZ

Marie
Susan… it simply means that the situation is out of control and he can call out the troops, do away with civil liberties (no freedoms) and declare martial law. Pretty much you’re at the mercy of the regime then. Many think that this is what he wants, so that he can call out his thugs whom he has been arming with the Kalashnikov’s he’s bought from the Russians. They certainly didn’t go to the Venezuelan Armed Forces (or what is left of them).
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I can not even imagine the state of fear the Venezuelan’s are going through at this moment-
what is with all the staple food? The link is not going through- How long has he has been purchasing these? And it sounds like you are connecting the dots!

 
Comment by Adam Housley

EVERYONE-

I WILL go back and answer some of your posts on this thread. There were some great questions earlier. Also, I have a NEW POST. We are here in Colombia.

Adam

 
Comment by Karen2 (K2)

Susan, forgot to say good night to you too……

 
Comment by Karen2 (K2)

Susan. Thanks for the post….interesting….

So tired here tonight – checking out.

Hope all is well with Tomasa tomorrow.

Good night, Marie – get back to work :) and John and LDG (if you are still here)

 
Comment by Susan-AZ

Thursday’s news- Marie’s post about the Correa and Chavez’s televised …

ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published Thursday March 6th, 2008
CARACAS, Venezuela – Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez called a Colombian raid that killed two-dozen guerrillas in Ecuador a “war crime” Wednesday and joined Ecuador’s president in demanding international condemnation of the cross-border attack.

“We demand condemnation of the Colombian government for this aberrant act,” Chavez said, standing beside Ecuadorian President Rafael Correa.

Correa said he welcomed a resolution approved by the Organization of American States that concluded the attack violated Ecuador’s sovereignty but added he is looking for an explicit condemnation of the Colombian strike.

“We are using all the peaceful and diplomatic channels available for the international community to condemn the aggressor,” Correa said.

Chavez blamed the crisis on the U.S. “empire and its lackeys” – Colombia’s conservative government – saying they pose a constant threat of war in the region.

“We are peace. We are the path to peace,” he said in a televised speech.

Chavez and Correa scored a victory of sorts Wednesday in Washington, where the OAS approved a watered-down resolution declaring the attack a violation of Ecuador’s sovereignty. The resolution also called for OAS Secretary General Jose Miguel Insulza to lead a delegation to both countries to ease tension but stopped short of explicitly condemning the assault.

After meeting Wednesday night, Chavez and Correa said they welcomed the resolution but still want an explicit condemnation.

“The OAS resolution pleases us. We are pleased but not satisfied,” Correa said, standing beside Chavez.

“This isn’t going to cool down until the agressor is condemned.”

The United States was the only OAS country offering Colombia unqualified support. Many other countries worried openly about the attack inside Ecuador, which along with Venezuela has been accused by Colombian officials of providing refuge to Colombian guerrillas.

Correa called Colombian President Alvaro Uribe a liar who “wanted war” and warned if the attack goes unpunished, “the region will be in danger, because the next victim could be Peru, it could be Brazil, Venezuela, Bolivia, any one of our countries.”

 
Comment by Marie

Susan… it simply means that the situation is out of control and he can call out the troops, do away with civil liberties (no freedoms) and declare martial law. Pretty much you’re at the mercy of the regime then. Many think that this is what he wants, so that he can call out his thugs whom he has been arming with the Kalashnikov’s he’s bought from the Russians. They certainly didn’t go to the Venezuelan Armed Forces (or what is left of them).

 
Comment by Karen2 (K2)

Yep, think McCain did have some involvement….. off to read your link…will be back shortly. Thanks

 
Comment by Susan-AZ

K2–

YES- I read that about the Boeing- McCain busted them or something like that?

 
 
Comment by Karen2 (K2)

John, I think Boeing thought they had it in the bag, so to speak. Looks like some shady stuff was going on between Boeing and a couple Air Force people…..

Love the bit about the union being upset…… have they not paid attention to the current state of the US Auto maker? Keep gnawing at the hand that feeds you and soon there will be no hand left.

 
Comment by Susan-AZ

K2-

YES- Be right back!

 
Comment by Susan-AZ

Marie–

the link did not go through- I am amazed at what you find-

State of Exception? Someone explain–

 
Comment by LDG

sorry, out for now. will try to reply as needed later.

addenda: good work on that staples buy, Marie.
((gone))

 
Comment by Karen2 (K2)

Susan,
can you post the link to Aaron’s post?

 
Comment by Susan-AZ

John–

I saw that on the link K2 and LDG posted and read it earlier- and thanks for the translation- I get so easily lost!

LDG– WAAA! Sorry you have to go– but this is good for me too–I need to get off here too at one point- so hard to do-

K2- I bet they are doing the coca paste– seriously!

 
Comment by John

LDG

“……Anyone that tells you they ‘ work for intelligence ‘ probably doesn’t.”

so true……..lol

 
Comment by Marie

LDG.. yes, chest thumping.

He just said that he is severing commercial ties with Colombia and has threatened to expropriate Colombian businesses (nice lawsuit).

That will perhaps explain why this information cropped up today: Hugo’s making massive purchases of staples, so was this severing of ties premeditated and is he buying food because he knows he won’t be able to stop rioting if people take to the streets? Or, is he egging them on to riot so that he can declare a “state of exception” and do away with the few civil liberties that Venezuelans still have? Don’t forget that his servile National Assembly gave him the power to rule by decree for 18 months… those 18 months are not up.

Link to the list of purchases:
http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=check_download&ufid=8877A3256B7

 
Comment by Susan-AZ

LDG–

I found Aaron– another good site to visit- Now I am learning about dirty bombs- doesn’t sound like a smart thing for FARC to do as there is no real gain in this- but then these guys are idiots so maybe the mentality behind the thinking?

The FARC could easily build a low level dirty bomb. But it is a problematic tactic, in that all it would do is raise the background radiation level and possibly causing slight long-term increases in health risks. (There is a debate among experts about the efficacy of dirty bombs – an ongoing issue for consequence management in the U.S. is that strict EPA standards might force the closure of areas hit by a dirty bomb when the practical impact on health is minimal.) In general, an unsophisticated dirty bomb would amount to a big, expensive hassle. Some experts argue that a dirty bomb, regardless of the real effects, would cause a massive panic – hopefully this proposition will never be tested, but in many stressful disaster situations social networks prove to be surprisingly resilient. For the FARC a dirty bomb might not be an attractive weapon since it would do minimal damage, while making the FARC politically radioactive.

 
Comment by Karen2 (K2)

LDG – thanks. You too.

Susan, No, they are staying up by chewing the coca leaves / paste!

 
Comment by John

This might be an interesting read for those of you following the Boeing vs Airbus contract for the aerial tanker replacement:

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/06_05/b3969417.htm

I’m also hearing that the Airforce will have to modify, or build all new hangers for the A 330…….apperently it will not fit in many exsisting hangers…………this is not confirmed, but as they like to say in the press, it’s from reliable sources….

 
Comment by Susan-AZ

k2–

thanks for the link-LDG had posted it too but I can’t find today’s article Noonan wrote-

Have Correa and Chavez even slept since Sunday?

 
Comment by LDG

Be well and safe, All.
((departs shortly))

 
Comment by Susan-AZ

K2-

Writing two days before his death, Reyes tells his comrades that “the gringos,” working through Ecuador’s government, are interested “in talking to us on various issues.”

“They say the new president of their country will be (Barack) Obama,” he writes, saying Obama rejects both the Bush administration’s free trade agreement with Colombia and the current military aid program.

Reyes writes that his response to the Americans was that the United States would have to publicly express these positions.

 
Comment by LDG

@Susan-AZ

“Where is Aaron’s post?”

Counterterrorism ‘blog, second story in current postings.

“I hope you got some breakfast-”

thank you, yes.

@Karen2

most welcome, as always.

@Marie

“Correa and Chávez are giving a “cadena” (all media -radio and TV must transmit) right now. Chavez has just challenged Uribe. He wants the two of them to go together to the ICC to see who comes out the loser.”

Looks to be more chest-thumping. Not a surprise. He (Chavez) is playing to his supporters again. Maybe he will say something (more) foolish or implicating, well, one can hope.

 
Comment by Karen2 (K2)

Susan
:)

It is really simple….if I could figure it out, so could you.

 
Comment by Karen2 (K2)

Susan,
lost of John Noonan posts on this page….

http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/defense/

 
Comment by Susan-AZ

I do need a Tivo– but then I have to have one of you walk me through on how to record– I am so lame!

I could record now– and I haven’t even bothered on how to figure it out- shame on me!

 
Comment by Karen2 (K2)

Marie – let me predict a loser ——-
Oh, wait, it is not a prediction, we already know he is a loser!

A story about some of the info found on Reyes’ computer –

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080305/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/colombia_farc_laptop

 
Comment by Susan-AZ

Wow Marie–

I did some homework on the ICC–Under Article 6 is where Uribe wants to get him-

Chavez doesn’t really single out a certain group- just anyone who opposes him?

 
Comment by Karen2 (K2)

Susan – you need TIVO or a DVR. Then you can set it up to tape, watch the good parts and fast-forward through all the ads and any other stuff of non-interest!

It comes on a 6:00 here…..and for me, that is the middle of the night!

 
Comment by Susan-AZ

K2-

NIGHT- I learned from you too– your link to hot pursuit and the FARC’S imprisonment of the one gentleman–

LDG is my mentor– He/she has me looking for info I would not normally do!

 
Comment by Marie

Back… Karen2 —yes it’s late, but I have to finish a job for tomorrow, so it will be a late night.

I’m on the East Coast and it’s 11:07 p.m. Since we’re on daylight savings time Caracas should be an hour ahead of us; however, because of Chavez’ penchant for the ridiculous he decided for some unfathomable reason to shift clocks ahead by 1/2 hour.

Correa and Chávez are giving a “cadena” (all media -radio and TV must transmit) right now. Chavez has just challenged Uribe. He wants the two of them to go together to the ICC to see who comes out the loser.

 
Comment by Susan-AZ

LDG–

Good thing you have a client call- I could stay on here all night and go back and forth with you-

I hope you got some breakfast-

 
Comment by Karen2 (K2)

LDG and Susan,
I learned a lot from reading all your posts from last night (for me anyway).

Thanks for all the info.

Have a good night.

 
Comment by Susan-AZ

OH-

I see Marie was just here- bless her- for taking time away from work- she has been at it since early this morning– I just love her posts- verbal diahrrea– how funny is she?

Where is Aaron’s post?

Chavez and Correa are doing a press conference right now? Coca paste keeping them awake?

Yes- Adam converses in Spanish- he is pretty good at it too- In earlier threads, when the Venezuelans would come in to post, Adam could carry on a conversation-

K2- Fox and Friends come on at 4:00 here- wake-up call please!

 
Comment by LDG

@Susan-AZ

I have a client call in about 30 minutes, so I could not stay long if I wanted to do so.

My compliments to your daughter, and I understand some of the choices you say she has made. All my best for her continued success.

 
Comment by Susan-AZ

LDG–

Don’t let me tie you up here– I have to run my dog to the vet early in the morning so I will be checking out of here soon-

And I don’t think Adam is coming back in here tonight- and all is quiet over there- for the most part-

By the way- my daughter was in the Air Force- she owed them two years from College as they helped her with her schooling- she lived in England- and traveled all over Europe the first year- and then she was sent to South Korea- CIO- After she finished her time with the Air Force, she moved to Australia and she just received her Masters- Foreign Diplomacy- hence, her thinking about going to Africa- she is undecided at this moment- she is not sure where she wants to go with this-

Now to get her to talk about her time in the Air Force- she won’t- she worked on F16’s and F15’s and was Chief Intelligence of Operations in South Korea– Why- I don’t know why she just doesn’t like to talk about her time there-she said she did not like her job-

But I have lots of pictures of her travels and lots of pretty souvenirs from many of the places she visited-

 
Comment by LDG

@Susan-AZ

“I was raised in South America and …”

Ah, then this sort of thing is old-home-week for you, in an odd way. Very good then. By chance would you know if our host here is conversant in Spanish?

@Karen2

Thank you. Might imply a need for sleep on his part.

 
Comment by Karen2 (K2)

Marie – back to work? It is late!

 
Comment by LDG

@Marie

thank you, as always. Best of luck at work!

 
Comment by Karen2 (K2)

Susan – LDG,

Adam will be on the air during Fox and Friends in the A.M. on the east coast. Approximately 7 – 8 hours from now.

 
Comment by Marie

Aaron Mannes post was spot on. He reiterates basically what is being said in the Spanish language media and blogs. As I stated earlier in this thread it’s “known” that the FARC come to Venezuela for R&R. There’s a saying in Venezuela that “very little can be hidden between the sun and the earth and word leaks out. Barinas is a good bet – Hugo’s father is the governor and various and sundry brothers and cousins hold key local government posts. It has also been “rumored” for some time now that Marulanda is ill and a guest of the regime. Venezuelan opinion is that the sabre rattling and troop movements were to protect Hugo’s “partners” and his honored guest and nothing more.

Correa and Chávez are giving a press conference right now and the recriminations have not ended. Their verbal diarrhea may yet undo what the OAS (surprisingly) accomplished today. As long as their bravado is limited to words, let them talk themselves blue. I must interject that the running “feeling” among Venezuelans is one of embarrassment for making them the laughingstock of the world.

There is a concerted effort by chavista apologists in the blogs to undermine the importance of the computers and the information found on the hard drives.

Lula is on his way to Venezuela. Wonder what he will contribute? Crafty fox.

Would you believe, back to work?

 
Comment by Susan-AZ

I was raised in South America and Mexico City, so I am for the most part fluent in Spanish- not like Marie– but I am fluent-

Now you know why I am so interested in the politics of South America– because I feel like I know some of the areas there-

I lived in Baranquilla, Bogota, and Bolivia-

 
Comment by LDG

“where did you find Noonan’s article?”

I encountered his work a long time back when I went to TheWeeklyStandard ‘blog to see another writer hosted there. The article on F-22’s and the situation-at-hand was just part of my daily browse.

 
Comment by LDG

@Susan-AZ

“I think Venezuela is four hours ahead of me- so it would be around 1:00 a.m. there- I wonder if our host is going to post an update- or if he is sleeping?”

You read my mind on that one. That hope is why I wandered back in.

 
Comment by Karen2 (K2)

Patty – found another bit of info on the Boeing issue…..

Apparently, Boeing had offered ’something’ (illegal – jobs? money?) to two Air Force officials. The resulted in jail sentences for two Boeing officials! OOP’s. Not a good idea…..

Also, the numbers of jobs put forth by EADS (Airbus) for Americans is 25,000. Perhaps not a bad deal after all.

A more efficient plane and perhaps an even more competitive bid…..

I know, hard to get past the idea of awarding the contract to a foreign country, but perhaps it will further improve our relationship with Europe.

 
Comment by Susan-AZ

I was reading the articles on the ICC– I think you are right- about Chavez and the ICC-

 
Comment by LDG

@Susan-AZ

I speak one language well, apparently, can hold a conversation in two more if you don’t mind my incompetence, and can sight-read a few more but can not claim conversancy (like spanish).

As to what I do *now*: I consult privately on matters international. Analysis is one valued skill in that line of work.

Important Safety Tip: anyone who tells you they “work for intelligence” probably doesn’t.

 
Comment by Susan-AZ

where did you find Noonan’s article?

 
Comment by Susan-AZ

I think Venezuela is four hours ahead of me- so it would be around 1:00 a.m. there- I wonder if our host is going to post an update- or if he is sleeping?

 
Comment by Susan-AZ

oops- my emails- I type too fast!

 
Comment by Susan-AZ

I just emailed him–

I saw the reuters update too– Nothing new-

I read Spain asked for Colombia and Educador to get along– from the sounds of it, not too many countries want to get themselves involved with this issue- (as for a war coming out of this)

I just checked me emails to see if there was an auto response from Mr. Noonan- nothing

I get the feeling you speak more than one language- and you are a analyst- maybe with intelligence?

Just trying to figure you out- But you don’t have to answer but I do think you speak more than one language- maybe three or more-

 
Comment by LDG

Hm… Reuters last update to feed on Colombia-Venezuela-Ecuador was 8:30 p.m. Eastern. Not much new. OAS did make a resolution, but it looks to have been a weak one; A few witness reports of a small number of “tanks” having been seen delivered to El Mojan. So slow news day right now.

 
Comment by Susan-AZ

I am going to email him- I had clicked on his name on the right and the email popped up–

so I am going to do that now–

be right back-

 
Comment by LDG

@Susan-AZ

Yes that is where Noonan’s work would be posted. Perhaps you should e-mail to him (via the link in his sig on the last article) and ask nicely if he has an archive weblog or at least a schedule of posting.

 
Comment by Susan-AZ

where is his article?

I do want to see it–

 
Comment by LDG

..and yes I slept well, thank you.

 
Comment by Susan-AZ

LDG–

I was just on this one– lots of Hillary and Obama– isn’t this where Noonan’s article would come up?

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Weblogs/TWSFP/TWSFPView.asp

 
Comment by LDG

@Susan-AZ

no. I slept in late because I was up until oh-dark-early this morning, as you well might have guessed.

 
Comment by Susan-AZ

LDG-

Good morning- I hope you slept well! It is 8:20 here– I get the feeling you are over a ten hour difference- yes?

 
Comment by LDG

@Susan-AZ

Yes, that is one ongoing example. In that case, Government of Uganda made a claim and now are trying to take it back for purposes of negotiating a peace with LRA. They may well learn that the ICC considers itself bigger than any such national issue.

Back on topic:

Susan, did you see the work over at CTblog for today? Aaron Mannes has a new post, very well done again.

 
Comment by Susan-AZ

LDG–

I was looking for International warrants– and this I found- Monday’s

Arrest warrants issued by the International Criminal Court (ICC) [official website] for the leaders of Uganda’s Lord’s Resistance Army (LRA) [MIPT backgrounder; JURIST news archive] “remain in effect and have to be executed” despite requests from Uganda that they be withdrawn….

 

FL,

You read that right, yes. Strange stuff.

 
Comment by LDG

@Susan-AZ

excused. I found out the hard way there is no edit-post function here.

…and good morning.

 

An interesting article on scanning private jets coming in from overseas. Trouble is, I doubt if Chavez will cooperate. Not with us anyway. He might with Iran though.

http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2008Mar05/0,4670,AviationSecurity,00.html

 
Comment by FL Sunshine

good night you west coast folks. F&F comes early so it’s time to log off for me. :-) don’t want to miss Adam’s report or Steve Doocy & Brian K’s fun.

 
Comment by Susan-AZ

LDG–

EXCUSE my spelling in the Charles Taylor post- Leone and UN-

 
Comment by Susan-AZ

racer–

I don’t know– too many different versions out here- as my friend LDG calls it- chest thumping

Venezuela deployed tanks to the Colombian border, Reuters reports, as Latin American tensions remained high enough that Hugo Chavez warned of an Andean war. Though Colombia refused to send reinforcements to its border, the mobilization of heavy artillery, including support from air and sea forces, is the first in the standoff following Colombia’s weekend incursion into Ecuador to killFARC rebels. • Ecuador’s president continued to slam Colombia’s raid, saying “the region will be in danger” if the violation of Ecuador’s sovereignty is not condemned by the international community. Despite the saber-rattling, all-out war between the countries is still seen as unlikely, because they depend on mutual trade—and because Colombia’s US-equipped army holds a strong advantage.

 
Comment by FL Sunshine

Rod – Am I understanding that story right? The couple who blew the whistle on the sicko get 6 months for telling everyone?

As for the perv I hope the others in the jail “enjoy” him while he’s in there. At least they gave him some time too.

 
Comment by Susan-AZ

Racer-

How about some F-22’s?

 
Comment by Susan-AZ

LDG–

I did my homework- hope you slept well–
Charles Taylor– former Liberian President was indicted by Un-Sierra Leone War Crimes Court in 2002 for backing Sierral Lenone rebels in over a ten year terror campaign -He then was in exile in Nigeria– and the last I got was in 2006 Nigieria was turning him over-

The ICC-
The International Criminal Court (ICC) is an independent, permanent court that tries persons accused of the most serious crimes of international concern, namely genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes. The ICC is based on a treaty, joined by 105 countries.

The ICC is a court of last resort. It will not act if a case is investigated or prosecuted by a national judicial system unless the national proceedings are not genuine, for example if formal proceedings were undertaken solely to shield a person from criminal responsibility. In addition, the ICC only tries those accused of the gravest crimes.

In all of its activities, the ICC observes the highest standards of fairness and due process. The jurisdiction and functioning of the ICC are governed by the Rome Statute. Download the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court (PDF, 448

Article 6 is the one for genocide- it lists the elements – He would have to meet the elements in 6 (a) 1. The perpetrator killed on or more person. 2. Such person belonged to a particular national, ethnical, racial, or religious group. 3.The perpetrator intended to destroy, in whole or in part the national, ethnical, racial or religious group, such as 4. The conduct took place in the context of a manifest pattern of similar conduct directed against the group or was conduct that could itself effect such destruction.

Chavez would have to meet these elements- I don’t think his actions were directed against any specific group- just anyone who opposes him-

 
Comment by Patty

K2 thanks!

still seems like a trade off of US dollars, and they wont stay in the US.
the jobs were in ks, now they are in AL, with much of the funds going across seas. Yes, its good for AL.
If it had something to do with an employee, fire him. Why should all the others suffer that work for Boeing?
Seems like it is what we have been complaining about, the gov’t spending our dollars in all the wrong places.

 
Comment by racerx03

Hugo is baiting the US, he threatened the use of his SU-30s. If he does the only defense Colombia has is to call Washington and get some F-18s in the air…then we’ll see THEM BLOW OUT OF THE SKY…bring it hugo!

 

Terri,

When you get back from lalalalalalal land, that last link of mine is safe to open. Just some poor sap that’s going to jail for exposing some pedophiles in a school. Like I said, no good deed goes unpunished. -Rod-

 
Comment by Karen2 (K2)

Patty – found the article ——

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080301224212.az5r6vht&show_article=1

In May 2003, a similar tanker contract was awarded to Boeing, but it was annulled under allegations of procurement fraud, for which Boeing paid a record 615-million-dollar settlement to the government.

Airbus will assemble the tankers in Mobile, Alabama, and has vowed to transfer assembly of its commercial 330 aircraft there, creating jobs.

Republican Alabama Senator Richard Shelby welcomed the decision. “Not only is this the right decision for our military, but it is great news for Alabama,” he said.

The contract was expected to bring up to 1,800 jobs to the Mobile area and 5,000 to the state, he added.

 
Comment by Karen2 (K2)

Patty – I will have to go look for the article….. but, something about Boeing and a government employee who was facilitating the contract and it was discovered this govt. employee was also seeking a job with Boeing. I also think the bid from Boeing was millions of dollars more.

The French company developed an improved system which carries more fuel and more people and is more reliable. Additionally, the plane will be manufactured here in the USA – Mobile, AL. Thus, none of our military secrets will be shared with the French arm of the company.

So, yes, the French company will get the bulk of the benefit, but it will benefit Americans, as well.

 
Comment by KT

Thanks, didn’t have time today to read through the posts. be back later tonight.

 
Comment by Patty

KT…Adams post up there…says Fox and Friends tomorrow.

 
Comment by KT

Joe… Yep, I agree with that! But this time it may back fire on him. usually he puts out propaganda and gets away with it. This time he could be looking at charges, I hope. That will be one entertainging day, the day he gets arrested.

 
Comment by Terri ~ Las Vegas

I don’t know Rod … I’m afraid to open it… *shakes head*

I can’t handle puppies being thrown off a cliff or babies getting their heads cut off.

I’m going to go watch SpongeBob Square Pants now..

la la la la la!!

 
Comment by KT

Anyone see Adam on TV yet? Or will that be tomorrow?

 
Comment by Patty

whoa…..talk about international trade?

The Air Force could explain to Boeing as soon as tomorrow why it awarded a 35 billion-dollar tanker contract to rival French plane maker Airbus.

http://www.wibw.com/news/headlines/16251021.html
we take the military dollars out of country??? go figure!

 
 
Comment by Alfredo

Chavez is the next Milosevic.

 
Comment by Average Joe

Chavez needs news exposure worldwide, and he will use every opportunity available to do so. The Venezuelan army is a sorry bunch of overweight and corrupt officers, with no experience whatsoeveer in war. May the world rest assured that Chavez’s big war with Colombia is nothing more than hot air.

 

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