“So, while penguins and polar bears are worthy of protection, the basic human rights of a few million people aren’t worth a few words and a ream of paper in Sacramento.”

I am seeing a serious problem with perspective there ((nodnod)).

Wow—

this is a serious issue— are these people wearing blinders?

ah yes, democrats doing what they do best, acting swiftly and decisively when the subject is non-threatening, non-vital, non-controversial, non-confrontational and otherwise meaningless, thank god, the california beaches are safe for annual migration and dance of the polar bears and penguins.

But, when there is a real need for something, when it requires a firm spine and a willingness to fight for something, when it comes to really standing up for something where somebody else might disagree and there may be a need for an actual debate…the dems do what that always do….lets shelve this for another time, when people have forgotten about it.

I can almost hear Hilary now….”I remember vividly the first time I witnessed the amazing dance of the polar bears and penguins off the coast of San Fran, they traveled thousands of miles only to dance a few evenings, then they departed, it was during the invasion of California by the Chinese and we were taking shelter from the bombardments….(whispering in her ear)….what?….what the crap? I am getting sick of people not fact checking my stories before I tell them….what am I paying you people for?…this is ridiculous…I am out.

Obama…I have said we needed to protect the dancing bears and penguins first…here is a hand written copy of my speech saying so..sorry, there are no audio clips, no video clips, and no third party verification I said it…but I want to say for the record, I am pro dancing bears and penguins.

they are not combining the violations of human rights and polar bears/penguins together in one group?

I’ve got news for the “fine” government officials of California. Some of the latest scientific studies show that Polar bear populations have steadily increased in all but two areas of the Artic ( parts of Canada and Norway I believe were the only declining Polar bear populations, but this was mainly because they were overpopulated to begin with ) in the past 100 years. Contrary to belief, what I’ve been hearing (Discovery Channel just did a show on this) is that Polar bear populations are thriving. But then again, this is California ( sorry Adam )……….This is from Janice Dean’s blog

http://www.desertdispatch.com/opinion/global_3006___article.html/warming_tax.html

another “wise” political move? or, blunder by California

Climate has changed as long as the Earth has spun on its axis. It’s been considerably warmer in recent centuries than today, and during those periods humanity simply adapted, indeed, flourished with fewer cold-weather deaths and more abundant crops.

_____________________________________________________________________________

going back to what Max more or less said in one thread!

John: I believe Canada has repealed it’s ban on the hunting of Polar Bears since they are now overpopulated and routinely coming into northern towns.

Susan: Also the temperatues of all the planets in out solarsystem where it is measured had been rising too. Sugesting the Sun has also played a large part in the recent temperature changes.

Let’s hope we get a few cold years so Al Gore et al. can finally shut up and concentrate on the real problems.

I can’t say much more than what the others said.
This is just stupidity at its highest.
What is it with Sacremento and other cities like Boulder CO.???
I guess the “migration” of like thinking people really does happen. Just like polar bears!

When we had the dairy, we had soo many cats, but we never had to wean them out, mother nature did that with a little thing called distemper. I wonder if there is a human form?

and yes….im being sarcastic!!!

@Patty

It has been noted before elsewhere: Stupidity is not inherently painful, so if one lives in a “safe” environment, there is no given learning curve.

Although…….It would be fun to watch some Emperor Penguins trot across the Golden Gate Bridge, carrying the Olympic Torch while Pro-Tibetan demonstrators unleash a few polar bears on the unsuspecting flock.

ADAM, Fresh PR from the California DFG Warden Association:
CALIFORNIA’S $120 MILLION SALMON INDUSTRY
HAS TOTALLY COLLAPSED!

BLAME CAN BE PLACED DIRECTLY ON POACHERS AND
LACK OF LAW ENFORCEMENT
CALIFORNIA’S WARDEN STAFFING LEVELS IS UNDENIABLY THE WORST IN
NORTH AMERICA TO PROTECT SALMON AND NATURAL RESOURCES

California is being saddled with a total ban on commercial and sport fishing of salmon, the first in the
state’s history. While biologists are scratching their heads and trying to point fingers at global warmingthe
California Fish and Game Wardens Association (CFGWA) for the past two years has been accurately
predicting this calamity, with few people listening. The CFGWA has produced two Exposes’ chronicling
these predictions which are available for review online at http://www.californiafishandgamewardens.com.
These two magazines, produced in 2006 and 2007, have exposed the rapid decline of California’s fish
and wildlife resources due to massive poaching increases and illegal black-market trade. Why has
California’s wildlife resources suffered so? This situation is directly attributable to California’s miserable
lack of support to those who enforce the protection of salmon- the Game Warden.
Attached to this letter are the results of a study by James Swan, PhD, on the environmental enforcement
staffing levels of all 50 states and the provinces of Canada. Dr. Swan compiled this information while in
the process of filming a TV documentary, which focuses on California’s Fish and Game Wardens. This
program not only shows that California ranks dead last in North America, but abysmally far behind all
the other states.
Wardens protect all the wildlife & fisheries in the state, and investigate pollution incidents. As a result
of this unjustifiably low staff level in environmental enforcement, the $120 million salmon industry has
collapsed. The sturgeon and abalone fisheries are following closely behind. If nothing is done, these
two species will also fall into an abyss. The black-market of wildlife in California is second only to the
drug trade, and these are increasingly becoming intermingled.
While the current statewide Warden staffing levels are indeed pathetic at less than 200 field officers, the
Administration is proposing in this year’s budget to eliminate an additional 38 positions. This will only hasten
the decimation of fish & wildlife populations and promote pollution of our land, lakes, rivers, and
streams. The loss of these positions will guarantee that the salmon population will never be able to
recover.
California has already become a poor example to all of North America’s fish & wildlife agencies of how
to protect its natural heritage. Tens of millions of dollars in relief funds have already gone to businesses
and local economies suffering from the impacts of the loss of salmon. Hundreds of millions of dollars
more is now being discussed for further economic hardships.
California Fish and Game Wardens’ Association
The Thin Green Line
CALIFORNIA’S $120 MILLION SALMON INDUSTRY
HAS TOTALLY COLLAPSED!
BLAME CAN BE PLACED DIRECTLY ON POACHERS AND
LACK OF LAW ENFORCEMENT
CALIFORNIA’S WARDEN STAFFING LEVELS IS UNDENIABLY THE WORST IN
NORTH AMERICA TO PROTECT SALMON AND NATURAL RESOURCES
Why do we say the staggering loss in the numbers of salmon is due to the lack of
Wardens and enforcement? Here are the facts:
The long range DFG 65’ Patrol Boat (PB) Albacore based in Eureka, which enforces commercial and
sport fishing of salmon on the north coast, sits at dock gathering barnacles because it has no crew
to do enforcement work. It is unstaffed due to the lack of Wardens. For 200 miles of the Klamath
River, from the mouth to Yreka, there are no Wardens protecting the migrating salmon broodstock.
Salmon and sturgeon are routinely snagged and ravaged by poachers who have little fear of being
arrested.
The DFG 58’ P/B Marlin based in Berkeley which patrols the Bay Area and northward, sat idle for the
past 5 months due to a lack of funding to repair its worn out engines. Even then, it only has 50
percent of the Wardens needed to board vessels at sea and must rely on inland Wardens to fill the
void. The Marine Life Protection Areas (MLPA) recently enacted by the Administration was to have
additional Wardens to staff and protect them. These positions are among those to be cut in the
new budget before even being filled. The MLPA has become nothing more than pretend protection.
Within 10 miles of the California State Capitol, one Warden within a three month time period made
130 arrests of salmon poachers. His cries for other Wardens to assist in combating this problem
resulted in over 400 arrests of salmon poachers. In the meantime thousands and thousands of
others poachers routinely escape.
As this is being written, every night California Game Wardens make arrests for the massive illegal
take of salmon fry attempting to make it back out to sea to grow and return to spawn. They are
used as unlawful bait for catching sturgeon, which are then illegally caught and stripped of their
roe for black market sales.
The enactment of laws closing the salmon season means nothing as there are only a few officers to
enforce the closure.
Many also say that the decline of salmon numbers is due to pollution and illegal streambed alterations.
Well guess who is responsible for investigating and prosecuting these activities? That’s right, the Fish &
Game Warden.
The California Grizzly Bear became extinct in 1932, not because of global warming, but because of the
same warden staffing numbers we have today.
We have lost a third of our officers in the last 6 years and the trend continues.
For additional information contact:
Warden Jerry Karnow 530 682-2387 and Warden Bob Orange 530 575-5736
http://www.californiafishandgamewardens.com
CALIFORNIA GAME WARDEN
NUMBERS IN THE FIELD
Since 1871
The numbers reflect how many Game Wardens there were in the field since 1871. These numbers
do not indicate how many allocated positions were available.
Year/Number of field wardens Population of the State
1871 - 2 565,000 people
1907 - 73 2.3 million people
1949 - 194 10.5 million people
1975 - 207 19 million people
1976 - 205
1977 - 205
1978 - 231
1979 - 240
1980 - 244 23.6 million people
1981 - 247
1982 - 246
1983 - 245
1984 - 245
1985 - 245
1986 - 249
1987 - 264
1988 - 261
1989 - 258
1990 - 273 29.7 million people
1991 - 272
1992 - 266
1993 - 259
1994 - 259
1995 - 262
1996 - 262
1997 - 260
1998 - 272
1999 - 280
2000 - 275 33.8 million people
2001 - 275
2002 - n/a
2003 - 231 (50 positions eliminated)
2004 - n/a
2005 - 203
2006 - 196
2007 - 200 38 million people
2008 - 192 (Proposal to eliminate another 38 positions)
NUMBER OF WARDENS in North America
Field Officers as of February, 2008
Warden Persons per Square Miles
Numbers Warden per Warden
Alabama 139 33,086 365
Alaska 96 6,980 5958
Arizona 86 71,701 1321
Arkansas 161 17,459 323
California 192 192,000 795
Colorado 135 34,000 764
Connecticut 57 61,487 85
Delaware 28 30,481 69
Florida 722 25,055 75
Georgia 211 44,378 274
Hawaii 120 10,712 54
Idaho 88 18,560 1,075
Illinois 144 86,245 293
Indiana 206 30,648 174
Iowa 83 38,524 725
Kansas 69 39,000 1200
Kentucky 157 26,790 25
Louisiana 240 17,866 182
Maine 124 10,658 249
Maryland 238 23,595 41
Massachusetts 100 64,371 78
Michigan 141 71,600 403
Minnesota 154 33,331 516
Mississippi 165 35,153 417
Missouri 167 34,986 412
Montana 107 8,832 1691
Nebraska 60 29,472 1,281
Nevada 31 77,897 3,567
New Hampshire 42 31,307 214
New Jersey 54 161,565 137
New Mexico 67 27,149 1630
New York 264 73,128 178
North Carolina 209 42,376 233
Warden Persons per Square Miles
Numbers Warden per Warden
North Dakota 35 18,169 1970
Ohio 88 130,431 465
Oklahoma 118 30,332 582
Oregon 119 31,099 807
Pennsylvania 136 91,475 350
Rhode Island 35 30,503 30
South Carolina 261 16,557 115
South Dakota 61 12,377 1264
Tennessee 181 33,364 255
Texas 494 47,587 530
Utah 65 39,232 1264
Vermont 40 15,000 240
Virginia 150 50,953 264
Washington 138 46,346 482
West Virginia 126 15,542 206
Wisconsin 151 35,521 360
Wyoming 59 8,513 1645
7,102
CANADIAN PROVINCES Sq. Kilo
Alberta 147 23,503 4497
British Columbia 137 31,927 6895
Manitoba 170 6,755 3810
Nunavut 34 882 61,764
New Brunswick 101 7423 722
Newfoundland 140 3616 2894
NW Territory 63 677 21,367
Nova Scotia 78 11,984 708
Ontario 266 48,135 4030
PEI 8 17,328 710
Quebec 503 15,310 3314
Saskatchewan 197 10,309 3309
Yukon Territory 20 1600 24,122
1864
Compiled by James A. Swan, Ph.D., Snow Goose Productions
http://www.jamesswan.com/snowgoose/cp.html

ADAM, if you want the actual PDF file I can esnd it too you. what is your email address?

@Adam Housley

“…I continue to push this story and will once again do so tomorrow morning.”

If another voice would add to the cause, count me in as saying this story needs to get nationwide play.

well im in socal, and my local FOX affiliate hasnt. all they care about if big boobs and American Idol………I think a national spot would be the best and it would I hope shame the california gov and senate to do something. Also, even though its the worst in California. This really is a national thing since every state is in the same boat to a certain extent.

I HAVE A WEEK OFF OF SCHOOL IN A WEEK AND A HALF — BUT no fun gotta study for national exams and the SAT which im taking May 1
OO and if the teaches didnt strike we wouldve had 3 weeks off grrrr….

SoCal……….count me in as another vote for a national story on this. I don’t know if the powers of the Californian state government can be embarassed on a national level, but it’s worth a try. Also, like you said, the shortage of wardens is effecting all states…..not just CA

HOMER IS A SUBVERSIVE INFLUENCE ON VENEZUELA”S KIDS, BAYWATCH HAWAII IS NOT!

‘The Simpsons’ Yanked From Venezuelan TV

Tuesday, April 8, 2008

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(04-0 04:39 PDT CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) –

D’oh! A Venezuelan TV channel has yanked “The Simpsons” off the air because it may be inappropriate for children. Taking its place: “Baywatch Hawaii.”

Televen TV station spokeswoman Elba Guillen said Monday that the decision to hand over the daily 11 a.m. time slot came after the National Telecommunications Commission received complaints from viewers.

“It had to be taken off,” Guillen said. “They consider it to be a series that isn’t appropriate for that time because it isn’t appropriate for children.”

The regulatory agency didn’t specify which elements of the program were deemed offensive, but said showing the animated cartoon series at that hour could violate national regulations prohibiting “messages that go against the whole education of boys, girls and adolescents.”

Guillen said it is up to Televen’s management whether “The Simpsons” may be shown at another time of day.

“Baywatch,” which features bikini-clad bombshells and musclebound hunks working as lifeguards on the Hawaiian coast, has been running in the 11 a.m. slot since Friday.

The station has not received any complaints about that show, General Manager German Perez Nahim told the Venezuelan newspaper Ultimas Noticias in its Friday editions. Perez was out of the office Monday and could not be reached for comment.

“We are hoping it will continue to have a good rating, because ‘The Simpsons’ worked very well — so much so that it had the highest levels of viewership for that morning timetable in the history of the channel,” Perez said.

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IM hearing from some stock trading friends that the entire OTC stock market in the USA went offline!,,,,,,,,,just came back up and no one knows why, No news agency is covering this country wide black out!

OMG–

While I was on Shaffer’s #9 thread learning about Patton/Frendendall/Rommel/Battle of Kasserine Pass, Socal put up a disturbing post! As a reminder from your past pleas. Good for you, Socal, not to let this go unnoticed! These Wardens levels of frustration and anxiety must be so high!!!

Socal– on the other thread, medical thread, I also put up the link for Chavez and the Simpsons– I saw the article this morning before I went to History Class on Shaffer’s thread.

Has anyone been following the Absolut Reconquista Ad?

http://michellemalkin.com/2008/04/04/absolut-arrogance-and-the-advertising-agency-behind-the-reconquista-ad/

hahahahahah

Dubai’s crown prince buys camel for $2.7 million during beauty pageant

Published: 04.08.08, 23:02 / Israel News

Dubai’s crown prince, Sheik Hamdan bin Mohammed bin Rashid al-Maktoum, the son of Dubai’s ruler Sheik Mohammed and his heir apparent, bought 16 camels altogether for a total of $4.5 million.

The purchase was made at a camel beauty pageant taking place during a desert carnival that aims to preserve the nomadic way of life in the oil-rich emirate of Abu Dhabi. (AP)

I saw that Avi!!! I was glad our soon to be $4 gas was going to a good “cause” HA HA

I wonder how long camals live. I know horses can live well into their 40s.
Maybe it’s like the Lamborghini of camals. If they live as long as horses it’d probably last a lot longer than most sports cars.

Susan: I hadn’t seen that before.
It’s weird how people on wikipedia don’t want it put up on the article about Absolut.

Max–

Glenn Beck talked about it last night– this is how I found out– was this the same beauty pageant show I put up a few days ago? Camel life span 30 + up to 50 years, I just read-
xxxxxx

Adam–

Does Tamera have a CD coming out?

Max–

I still need to get to my emails– My history lessons with LDG are challenging! I spent a few hours over on Shaffer’s thread–
xxxxxx

Susan: I think it’s the same one, same location.
If that camal is very young it could be only $50,000 a year.

Adam–

What kind of music is her brother into? Was that Tamera and Tia’s actual voices on their show at the beginning? If so, the girls have nice voices–

And yes– those stories were on foxnews main page–

Max–

check this out– In regards to the Dubai prince buying the camel for @2.7 million…. speaking of horses.. LOL

The hefty sum was still a fraction of the record price paid at auction for a horse. The Green Monkey, a thoroughbred colt, was purchased at a Florida auction in 2006 for $16 million.

SoCal–

I was reading some sites– the lack of wardens appears to be going on for the last few years–

http://www.californiafishandgamewardens.com/index-3.html

Susan, its been going on for decades

SoCal–

if it weren’t for you, I would have not become aware of this!!! So many thanks– I don’t think this is getting the attention needed. I could be wrong– but this is a serious issue! And it should be addressed– And it is just not about salmons-

This is criminal– (I read your first post again)

Adam—

Even if Patty rocks more than I do- - I would like to hear a Kuwaiit story– as LDG, my mentor, would teach me more.

To be honest with you, I have no clue as to why you were there– maybe you can share a story? And post some pictures–
________________________________________________________________________________

Avi-

I am always in favor of drills like this. When we were in Kuwait waiting for the war to start, we drilled several times to prepare for the missiles and I am glad we did. Maybe this will also encourage people to clean out their shelters!

Adam

Terrorism today civilians killed

16:19 J`lem official: Hamas will pay the price for this attack (Haaretz)
16:18 Officials in Jerusalem blame Hamas for shooting attack near Nahal Oz (Haaretz)
16:13 Report: IAF carrying out air strikes in northern Gaza (Channel 10)
16:11 Palestinian worker in Gaza: IDF tanks crossing into Gaza Strip (AP)
15:56 Victims of shooting attack near Nahal Oz reported to be Israeli civilians (Haaretz)
15:53 4 Israelis hurt in attack on filling depot near central Gaza (Israel Radio)
15:52 Security forces searching Nahal Oz area for infiltrated Palestinian militants (Haaretz)
15:45 Two people killed by Palestinian gunmen in shooting attack near Nahal Oz (Haaretz)
15:43 Islamic Jihad takes responsibility for shooting attack near Nahal Oz (Haaretz)
15:42 4 Israelis hurt in attack on filling depot near central Gaza (Israel Radio)
15:36 2 Israelis wounded in attack near Nahal Oz in critical condition (Israel Radio)
15:35 2 people shot by Palestinian militants who infiltrated from Gaza (Israel Radio)
15:33 7 Palestinians believed to have infiltrated from Gaza (Israel Radio)

Avi………is this a time line of seperate attacks, or are these separate reports of one attack?

John thats from the one attack …. from the Haaretz news ticker

from today an hour ago

Susan: wow $16 million is a lot for a horse!

@Avi

and the latest:
17:26 Palestinians: Goal of Nahal Oz attack was to kidnap IDF soldiers (Haaretz)

gee, doesn’t it make you feel so warm inside to know that Jimmy Carter wants to meet with the (kind of) people who are responsible for these attacks?

LDG,

thank god they didnt kidnap an Idf soldier if they did it woudlnt be a pretty picture right now…. Carter is meeting with Hamas in Syria so ive heard =/

@Avi

Yes on the first, and you’ve heard right on the second.

“With friends like that…” comes to mind. caveat: I’m biased, J. Carter is not my favorite person.

Jimmy Carter is a perfect of example of why past Presidents should just ride off into the sunset without looking back…….IMO.

Tend to agree with John and LDG re: J. Carter. Some people would do better to just keep quiet and not meddle. J. Carter was not even a favorite when in office, and now after all the harm he has done, even less when out of office!

John are you in the DC-VA area?

Marie……….close, I’m in Silver Spring MD right now.

Can you recommend a good realtor in the Northern Virginia area? I’d appreciate it.

Marie……..I don’t know if Jenny does Virginia. But, she been with this office for many years and she may be able to guide you to someone that can help. Just click on my name for her website

I think the reason Carter keeps meddling now is that he did so little good while President that he’s trying to make up for it now, he just doesn’t realise that he’s doing the same things which made him ineffectual as a President.

John, thank you so much. I’ll give it a try.

Max……..I think you’re exactly right. Most former presidents realize, or have realized, that they have had their chance…….and now it’s in the hands of the present administration. What I think Carter really fails to realize is that his words or actions can do more harm than good………especially if it undermines, or contradicts, the present administration’s policies.
It’s all right for them to voice opinions and disagreements with present policies, but they should not be involved in representing the USA on foreign policy matters……unless asked by the present administration, of course.

Hi all–

LDG– I was over on #9— Didn’t even come close– BTW- The clock here on the blog is three hours faster than my time– so when it reads 4:00 it is 1:00 here–

Ditto to the Jimmy remarks– Shouldn’t he be enjoying his golden years? Syria is one place I would not want to visit if I were retired!

Avi–I was reading about your events–

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,348668,00.html

@Susan-AZ

good morning! so do we wander back over to #9 for a bit now?

Morning Susan, How are you doing?
Also, it should be 4 hours different at the moment as the blog is on EST, and since Arizona doesn’t impliment DST they are now 4 hours ahead rather than 3.

the Olympic flame is in San Francisco–

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/04/09/BAD4101QFL.DTL

John - I saw your reference to living in Silver Spring….I lived there when I was a kid and haven’t been back for a long time. Sounds like maybe you’re in real estate? We lived on Lanier Drive…wondering if it’s still nice, if you know? (If it has gone downhill, just say you don’t know!) Great place back then….walks with our dog in Rock Creek Park (unsafe now??) and we would sometimes skip school in the spring and go to the Zoo…(free entertainment).

Morning Max-

And how are you doing? Want to join in on #9– I need help!

So is the clock wrong here? It says three hours–

LDG– Yes–Back to #9– I love it there– I have 40 minutes to spare– So please get me out- LOL

(Daughter is coming over)

Headed over there-

Susan: Oops, you’re right. *oops*

ADAM, i hope you got my emails . I had to break up the files into 3 separate emai,s with their own attachment. My email was attacking very wierd last night. Also, inthe Salmon PR the two Wardens you need to talk too have their phone numbers on the PR.

my email was ACTING very weird and my Dyslexia is ACTING up too!

JoAnn…….I’m not familiar with the Lanier Dr. area. I only work in Silver Spring, but if you haven’t been here in a while you probably wouldn’t recognize the downtown area. It was completly revitalized about 5 years ago. It is still relatively safe in all areas of Silver Spring…….safe as major suburban areas go, that is.
Rock Creek is still a great place to hike or ride your bicycle and, of course, the National Zoo is a wonderfull place to spend a day………..and, our tigers do not jump over walls to “greet” you.

John - Thanks so much for the response! (Lanier Dr. is/was very nice and off the beaten path - a “cul-de-sac,” or as we called it back in simpler times, a dead-end street.) Would like to see the downtown now. Someday soon, on a trip back to see the sights in D.C….Thanks for the update!

Max and Retread–

thanks for the help on #9- Shaffer–

I finally got the answer– with the help from the both of you!!!

Have a good day @ all!!!

Susan: i didn’t give that much help. i don’t even know wo Mookie is, but it’s a funny name.

my last trip to DC I paid almost 7 bucks for a pack of smokes…yuck

I think Carter is going to get over there and one of two things will happen, he will be completely bamboozeled by them and they will show him all the neat things about themselves, he will be photographed giving hugs and high fives, or they will chop his head off….considering one of my kids never picked up the name carter (and never will) I really don’t care what happenes to him

test

where are my posts going?

again– splitting it up

Max-

Mookie is Muqtada al-Sadr - (lesson for this was on thread #7 or #6- Shaffer) Don’t remember which thread-

There is a baseball player too- William Hayward “Mookie” Wilson (born February 9 , 1956 ) is a former Major League Baseball outfielder who played with the New York Mets (1980–89) and Toronto Blue Jays (1989 …

Adam:

Are you in San Francisco?

Susan: why do they call him Mookie?

My link won’t post– What is going to be the outcome for the Olympics?

April 9: Amid thousands of protesters and supporters, the Olympic torch relay begins its trek through San Francisco…

Max–

nickname– goes or rhymes with Muqtada?

Max–

headed out- daughter just showed up-

xxxx

Susan: have a good day!

Max–

I had to go find the complete answer-

Mookie”, as the Marines derisively nicknamed him….

I see Adam has two new threads–
These will have to wait– give Adam a break from seeing my name all over the blog-

to you Max again-

xxx

Imagine this senerio:

Some state in the U.S. wants to form a new country.

They are doing this because they worship a man that has been designated a “god” at birth.

This “god” travels around and visits places like Seattle and meets with movie stars like Richard Gere.

The people of this religion (who want to form their own new country out of a piece of yours) disrupts an important event that showcases the US to the world.

These same seperatists claim abuse, just because the authorities are cracking down on disruptions and public disorder. (Like the US did during the protests against the APEC summits some years ago).

THIS IS WHAT IS OCCURING IN CHINA.

Tibet is part of the Peoples Republic of China, just as the south of the US was part of the United States during the civil war.

Take these reports of abuse to the “poor Tibeten people” by the Chinese authoritieswith a grain of salt will you?

Cheers…..

@Gringo

re: “Imagine this…”

I am not so kind as our host here. Your “scenario” is not simply an unfair comparison. It is a manifestly untruthful proposition.

I would suggest a retraction, or serious amendment, on your part.

Note: I am not debating “right or wrong” about Tibet. I am calling into question the competence of your so-called scenario.

@Adam Housley

Good catch to come check on why this thread-count budged.

Oh goody, let’s feel good and have Tibet Day. Hypocrites. Where have you stupid California politicians been for the past 20 years? OMMMMMMMMMMMMM