Sorry Patty.

Retreat,
perhaps you can explain why Congress felt the need to amend the Constitution to fight the first war on drugs.

Retread said, “to provide for the common defense,” or “provide for the general welfare,”

Liberals have improperly used those same phases to destroy the Constitutional Republic our Founders created. If we were to steadfastly use their, and your, interpretation on the Constitution there would be no need for States.

UO…Patty didnt say that. atleast not this Patty.

Patty, perhaps you can explain why Congress felt the need to amend the Constitution to fight the first war on drugs.

Patty said, “to provide for the common defense,” or “provide for the general welfare,”

Liberals have improperly used those same phases to destroy the Constitutional Republic our Founders created. If we were to steadfastly use their, and your, interpretation on the Constitution there would be no need for States.

Patty,

It was a swing and a miss! The snow storm never made it to eastern South Dakota!!

UnderwaterOperative,

you’re kidding right? How about “to provide for the common defense,” or “provide for the general welfare,” those are pretty good starts. The US govt. is charged by the Constitution and the People to prevent lawlessness, self destruction and the destruction of the family unit ie a just and functioning society/civilization. Hard Drugs (herion, coke, ecstasy, PCP ect) change the chemical balance in a user, sometimes its short term many times it leads to long term changes in a persons psychological make up.

Adam said,

“UnderOP-

You can’t be comparing alc to drugs?

Adam”

No Adam I wasn’t. Perhaps you should read my question again,

“Can anyone point out the constitutional amendment that allows the Federal Government to regulate drugs? Do all you conservatives out there remember the First war on Some Drugs. To “fight’ it, we amended the constitution to prohibit Alcohol. I’m wondering, where is the amendment that allows the Federal Government to fight the current War on Some Drugs????”

It was a direct question. In order to fight the War on Alcohol, Congress amended the Constitution. Where’s the amendment to fight the current War on Some Drugs?

I mean, I know how important the Constitutions is to all the Patriotic Fox News watchers, so surely they must be asking themselves why the Constitution had to be amended to prohibit Alcohol but not other drugs.

Avi, bless your mom and you kids for dealing with dad being away 2 mths at a time. I cannot begin to imagine. Thank God for the internet!

Glad that link helped fix your vid’s!

Patty,

THANKS ALOT IT WORKS NOW

K2,

yah he does lol

and yah somewhere in the D.C. area American University, George Town etc…. and Brandies … and a few others…..

Nope my sis and and mom are here for good my dad after he retires is eventually going to move here for good but thats alongs way away…..

I’m the only one who wants to live in America everyone else wants to be here…. weve been here for almost 4.5 years almost…. has gone by super fast… lol……

I hope so to my camera kinda was acting weird … and my dad was supposed to come this week with a new camera but not sure if he is coming in the end because he is super busy ….

My dad used to fly like every 2 weeks ( i dunno how he did it ) know he comes once ever 2 months or 3 or so…….. comes for the weekend…..

Avi, you have a very busy family. Your Dad must have a ton of frequent flyer miles!

A mini college tour sounds like a good idea. But, you have pretty much decided where you want to go anyway, haven’t you?

Will your family return to the States eventually?

Enjoy the Isreal tour. Hopefully you will be able to take photo’s on this trip.

Adam posted another sub video…..worth a look.

K2,

About a month and a half ( i might have to come back early for a trip to Poland with school) i hope it will be in Sept not Aug

im flying to Indiana to visit my dads side of the family a week after i fly in then back to miami for the remainder and possibliy a mini college tour….

I’m going alone ( meeting up with my dad in miami) ( no my parents are NOT divorced he works in miami and travels back and forth ) soo yah everyone else is staying here…. my bro is going to miami too i think not for certain

oo and no …… my mom sis are staying here my bro will be at Brandies and my dad will continue to travel back and forth between Miami and Israel…. and ill be somewhere in america

PATTY,

not really a vacation just a test vacation…. got school this week then the trip across israel next week from the whole week then back to business …. lol

thx for the link im checking it out now lol

Adam…congrats on all the ping backs to your blog! ( i think!*L*)
Just curious, Do you know how many hits this page has had since you put it up?

Avi…try these for the techy problems….
http://www.google.com/support/youtube/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=56115

Awesome Avi! I’m sure it’s a job well done.
Have fun on your vacation!!! Be have! ha ha

Avi, how long will you be in the States?

Will your entire family return to the States after you graduate next year?

I remember reading about the mix-up on your flight home…

Adam,

computer problem:

ALL youtube videos say ” this vid is no longer available.” and i tried to refresh and clear cookies and all that and it dont work…….. and it works on the other 4 computers in the house? do you know of this problem or anyone else?

K2,

July 15-16 ( stuck in new york for 8 hours)

[...] sure y’all have seen the drug submarine video by [...]

Avi – Congrats! I am sure you did well.

Good luck on the AP exam.

When are you coming home?

SAT= DONE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! nOT SURE how i did…… Now some relaxzation and ” vacation” for the next 2 weeks till my AP exam in 2 weeks !

@Max, Susan-AZ and the Game Group

the threadjack from POD-8 is to move to Border Battle as the old thread is erroring now. Thank you for playing, and ARRGH!

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@Max

You might want to be sure those 8:34 and 8:39 posts really are from Susan-AZ, or that she was fit to post, before replying. Just FYI.

Susan: awesome image

I don’t think it’s people thinking they are beautiful meaning they sleep around.
I think it might be the other way around.
People who think they are worthless/ugly/(wouldn’t be wanted by anyone), sleep around to try and feel wanted and beautiful. But then they start to feel like people only want them for sex and not their character, so then feel even worse than before. And it just gets worse from there.

Hard Working American,

Thank you for answering my questions. I am very sorry for the loss of your friends.

I understand why you believe legalizing drugs may be the answer.

I must respectfully disagree. The legalization will not address the issue of enticing and supplying minors. And, I suspect any highly addictive drug would be strictly regulated, thus creating an underground market.

As we have seen with alcohol, there are individuals who are unable to control their use. The same would be true of legal drugs. We also have not found a sure way of treating alcohol addiction. AA tries, but its success rate is small. The only ‘cure’ is to not partake.

Which brings us to the area in which we agree. Education and Rehabilitation.

Rehabilitation for the drug user / addict is a far better choice than incarceration. Save incarceration for the dealer – I have no use for this individual.

Education is the best deterrent for drug use. Unfortunately, our DARE program is not very successful. I believe a better education program would be to show the entire dark side of the drug industry. Let them see the death and destruction to the country and its people, where the drug is farmed. The death and destruction associated with the transport of the drug. And the seedy underworld of the dealer and addict.

My hope would be once they understand how the drug is not just ‘what they do to their body – and thus is no one’s business’, perhaps we would have a chance in reducing the demand.

STD’s is caused by many other factors than alcohol– But this is not defending alcohol–” True, true, but drinking leads to more unprotected, promiscuous sex and therefore is one of, if not the leading causes of the spreading of STD’s in America.
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go visit Al Capone— Michael Jordan– anyone else

promiscous sex is just :- ego’s are more of a cause– I am a stud or I am beautiful!

Adam—

I do have a very personal question–

Setting aside the fact your father worked very hard to get where he is at today, and you were able to have a good education, you Pepperdine snob you, did you take a bunch of ecstasy or smoke a bunch of weed to get your double majors at Pepperdine? Or was it because your father, blood, sweat, toil bought you that education? Or you just exceled because you were higher than the eagle above me now, as I do my peyote trance?

I bet when you were playing ball, you were scoring speed to do that fast pitch– None of that came from you!

Signed,

Crashing from my drug

Adam–

LDG gave me an exercise about the subs–in the preceding post–

It would be cool if you read or maybe go over the exercise– as we take your subjects seriously!

And thank you for introducing me to these and allowing us to use your blog for learning!

Susan

@Susan-AZ

POD-9, please.

HWA–

BTW- Jimmy Moran was Sammy the Bull’s name he used when he lived here in AZ- LOL

HWA–

Here is someone who I find to be interesting– he was one of my trivia questions I posted on another thread– He did not like Timothy but he did experiment with hallucogenics–

http://www.harvardsquarelibrary.org/unitarians/schultes.html

SO– You put out all the flavors of LSD-

Blotter- Purple Haze- Strawberry Fields- Orange Micro- Sunshine et al and take a pick as to which one is not as dangerous?

It is like an alcoholic saying: I only drink beer because it is not as bad as hard booze!

LOL Timothy Leary….yes chaos.

Thats why I quit!!!!

Max-

click on my name!

Signed,

TL and JM

Say what??????

http://search.msn.com/video/results.aspx?q=timothy+leary&docid=1585864048771&FORM=TVVR6

Well the feds mainly target the suppliers of drugs, not the user.
From a libertarian stand point it’s the right thing to do.
From trying to win the war on drugs going after users would help wrap it up a lot faster.

Of course comparing the deaths caused by illegal drugs compared to alcahol doesn’t quite work, since you should take it as a percentage of users, rather than raw numbers.

“Meth, heroin, coke, crack-they are no good for anything”
Heroin is the strongest pain killer around, far better than it’s weaker sibling morphine.
The other 3 are all like a stonger versions of caffine.

The all had their uses, the only problem was that people abused them so much when they were legal.

I think the only drugs that should be considered for legalization are the ones where the danger comes mostly from the filler. Legalizing them would probably make it a lot safer.

Hi K2,
I don’t mind responding but let me say this first and clarify where I am coming from because I have probably set the wrong impression. I don’t think the acceptable drugs are really good. In moderation and with control they may be ok, even great wonderful tools for some(I am talking about the acceptable drugs here), for a very few others (especially kids who were on ritlin growing up-and i can’t stress that enough) they can be bad-very bad, even the “acceptable” ones. -Meth, heroin, coke, crack-they are no good for anything (but people still get on them), so why not control them better and offer better solutions.

swim=someone whom i met (saw this on a drug forum while doing some research) I think its funny so I will use it- i plead the 5th!

To respond—–

What made you decide to try drugs in the first place? swim was in architecture school and swim simply wanted to expand swim’s creative access to swim’s mind. Unlock some doors if you will and be able to look at things differently. See the world in a different way and understand, realize, see and know other possibilities. To become a different thinker. swim got that out of swims experiences and it was a successful experiment in swims eyes. Fairly honest approach to them.
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Were you still a minor? swim was not a minor
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How would you propose keeping the drugs away from the minors (they are the target of the pushers today).
Minors are not the only and main target (pushers pushing to kids are pushing your meths, cranks, crack, speeds, coke, and heroin-very very very seldom are they pushing the drugs I am calling acceptable because they are not physically addictive and you can’t hook the kids on them). The drugs swim obtained were from people swim’s own age. Typically other college students but as swim dove deeper underground the real criminals come out everywhere….and believe swim you would never know it but they are EVERYWHERE in EVERY aspect of life. The most unsuspecting places. Those who push drugs on children should be dealt with swiftly and with the most heavy punishment IMO.
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How do you keep drugs away from minors?
If the government is regulating and controlling the drugs you eliminate the big pushers, who as you say are going after minors. Pushers push over the counter and illegal drugs, but if they are controlled the monetary value of pushing them would surely go down because the market becomes much smaller for them -it would have to focus primarily on children. Kids don’t have the money to keep these guys in business. So it would be small quantities here and there-that they purchased legally, always going to happen, especially if they are able to get the drugs from within their own household. Its the quantity sales that keep these pushers going. Kids that are pushing drugs onto kids are most likely having them handed to them by cousins, uncles, father figures, etc. More kids are getting drugs these days from their own parents. These are government approved over the counter fully legal drugs. This is a problem that often times starts at home right under the parents own nose. This is a bigger problem than illegal “acceptable” street drugs sold to people over the age of 18. I will say this, these legal over the counter drugs are so very bad. They get prescribed to people all the time (like Prozac), and once you start–YOU ARE TOAST!!! They are addictive. Forget it, your life is basically over….AND this is legal. Why? Because they can be taxed and controlled and the government makes money off this practice.
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What made swim decide to stop using drugs ?(at least that is my impression from reading your posts).
Your correct swim has not used drugs for over a decade. Swim wouldn’t even know where to get the stuff and swim has no interest in pursuing them. Its rampant in college towns across America. There is a time and a place for everything. A couple of things made swim stop. Number 1. Some of the unsavory people you have to deal with and the “chase” to get the really good drugs. Many are terrible evil creatures. But then there is the average Joe schmo nice guy thats doing the dealing. And they are abundant. 2. swim simply got too busy trying to finish up school and pursuing swim’s career. 3. A friend of swim’s that was into the cocaine business blew his face off. 4. A previous girlfriend of swim’s got murdered in a drunk driving accident. 5. A friend of swim’s on crank jumped his car off of a bridge and killed himself. 6. swim never knew what swim was going to get in an Extacy pill. The fact that it is not controlled, not governed, anyone can put anything in it. swim was fortunate. swim got stuff that wasn’t as advertised but it was never anything deadly. 7. swim just moved on-got what swim wanted out of it and that was it…just like that.
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I am always perplexed by the comment of an individuals use of drugs hurts no one but themselves.
If I made that statement earlier let me please clarify that. And I believe I also said this…..Individuals that use drugs don’t only hurt themselves but they hurt their friends and family if they are using the very deadly drugs which I mentioned before -meth-crack-heroin-cocaine. Get on those and it is OVER!….Plain and simple (there is not enough help for these people out there and surely they will end up in serious pain and most likely in jail-then the problems get worse, and it repeats over and over without help – then we as tax payers end up paying for it ultimately also)….. The use of the other acceptable drugs comes and goes. swim did not hurt swim’s friends or family and made new friends along the way (but swim stayed away from the bad drugs). You can leave them as easily as you start them as far as physical addiction goes. Mentally is a different ball game. But that can be licked also just as easily and WAY more easily than cigarettes. swim knows many successful people that also have been there done that and they now have good jobs, families, etc, etc. Living the dream.
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Have you ever considered the death and destruction that is caused world wide by the manufacturing, transport, and sale of the drugs?
Of course….this is because it is illegal and pushed underground and this attracts the people that are willing to take these kinds of risks(for high rewards) and seek that kind of power and money. Eliminate the underground element of it, clean it up, regulate it, it drives this business away. They lose their money, they lose their war. They would have to sell their drugs too cheaply which eats into their profit and makes it not worth it.
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Since there are “soft” drugs, as you referenced and others that would not be legal, would the market of the illegal drugs not change?
I think what would happen if hard drugs were decriminalized and not so taboo and so driven underground where people can’t see them, that they would be thrust into everyones face. Everyone would get a first hand look at what they are, what they do. Instead of them being this mystical mystery people would see clearer the results of taking the BAD ones and it would deter many more people from them. The fact that this huge problem is so covered up is part of the problem. swim got a first hand look at people on the bad drugs while swim was in that world and clearly had no interest in joining that crowd. What a scary mess that whole world is. Like I said earlier, if your going to take drugs, your going to take drugs – the law is not much of a deterrent for those that really want them. There is so much use out there I think it is an obvious fact. If they are legal will more people take them? I don’t know, maybe.

People need to focus on People with drug problems. Eliminate the underground element. Focus more on education and treatment for those with addiction problems. Eliminate the dash for cash to get the drugs which leads to other crimes. Then you are left with the problem of the people who take drugs. How much money was spent on the war on drugs? What if that money was put into treatment and education? Of course some would still fall by the wayside but they are going to anyway, but many will be saved and will become contributors to society instead of suckers of tax payer money to keep them incarcerated. It is all approached very wrong, like alcohol.

Advertise alcohol. Make it appealing. Drink to much and you lose your correct line of thinking. Have bars that people have to drive to. Sell them this stuff and they get drunk. Then they get in their cars. Get a DUI. Fine the crap out of them so they have worse problems. They drink more. The cycle continues. Then throw them in jail and create more problems for them. It makes no freaking sense. This is not addressing the problem….this is taking the problem and making it pay $$$$$ then throw them away. Terrible.

Thats enough incriminating swim for now. LOL. Nobody talks about the problem in a correct way. Lock them up! Make their problems worse. Throw them away. Guess thats America for you…..home of the free home of the imprisoned. I might be full of crap, just the way I see things-just my opinion. The current war is not stopping it so why not take a different approach. If that doesn’t work out well you can always go back to the way things are now. Maybe its worth a try.

Hard Working American,

I have a few questions, but if you prefer not to respond, no problem.

What made you decide to try drugs in the first place? Were you still a minor? How would you propose keeping the drugs away from the minors (they are the target of the pushers today)

What made you decide to stop using drugs ?(at least that is my impression from reading your posts)

I am always perplexed by the comment of an individuals use of drugs hurts no one but themselves. Have you ever considered the death and destruction that is caused world wide by the manufacturing, transport, and sale of the drugs?

Since there are “soft” drugs, as you referenced and others that would not be legal, would the market of the illegal drugs not change?

michellemalkin.com/2008/05/02/drug-subs-could-carry-terrorists-and-wmd/

Wow.. good job Adam…
made it to Michelle Malkins blog…. I love her blog… we read it everyday.
Husband has her blog downloaded to his Amazon Kindle.

She is one smart cookie! I finally get to comment on her blog… it took me a year to get in!!

wowwwww….

it got busy here!

ha ha….Jimmy,

Your supposed to say if I didn’t use it I would have graduated summa cum laude.

HWA, (ECSTASY)

…..after my time with the drug I actually did better at the major university I attended, maybe i focused more, but I made the Deans and Presidents lists every semester for 2 years after I finished my time with E, graduated magna cum laude,

Now I find this out. I wish I had known for I would have had my children Gerald and Karen using the drug instead of distrubiting the drug.

Thank you for your input.

From John

Isn’t that what we’re doing by making drug abuse illegal? I’m with you that we blame the people for drug adictions and not the drug , but I fail to see the advantages to society, in general, of legalizing drugs for recreational purposes. One can argue that the government will create an additional tax base……..however, will the additonal tax incomes outweigh the increased policies of having to police the new drug laws? And where does all this legalization end?………Who will dictate which drugs are “soft” and which ones aren’t? After drugs are legalized, why not legalize sex in public places? Doesn’t harm anyone, so why not?
There is one law (rule) I wish they would abolish though………..Shoes and Shirts Required

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Haha…good one “Shoes and Shirts Required”
—will the additonal tax incomes outweigh the increased policies of having to police the new drug laws? Who knows-the current system sure is costing a heck of lot.
—And where does all this legalization end?
With the people….if everyone can see it in their face and clearly on the streets, people will be able to make up their minds about how they want to be or not be.
—Who will dictate which drugs are “soft” and which ones aren’t?
The government already does. Alcohol and cigarettes are both ok right. They are not right with that one either.
—After drugs are legalized, why not legalize sex in public places?
Why not….Don’t you think that people that want to engage in this type of behavior will be pushed to areas in the country where they can get away with it without people trying to interrupt it. If someone is trying to have sex in public places like Central Station do you not think it will be almost impossible for them to actually engage in it without Dads and Mothers walking through with their families putting a stop to it before it can get going. You bet they will. Don’t you want government of the people and by the people or do you want a Police state which we are headed towards right underneath your very nose.
—Doesn’t harm anyone, so why not?
How does it harm people? Teen pregnancies are at an unprecedented high already. Porn on the internet is rampant and anyone can see it. How would it harm people. People would stop it if it was happening in areas that it is deemed inappropriate. You give too much power to the government and they will TAKE it and abuse it. Like they are doing now….We have more people in jail than any other country in the world….Home of free and home of the most jailed.

If the government could make money off of public sex you bet your bottom it would be legal.

[...] Via Housley: [...]

It would be interesting to find out the percentage and number of people killed in car accidents due to speeding. If the number is higher than those related to ecstasy use……then shouldn’t we have much harsher punishment on those who speed? First offense probation….If your over 20 mph 5-10 years in jail because the potential for killing someone is much higher…even though you didn’t do it. Everyone does it so it’s ok, but it kills more people and harms more families than ecstasy use. If we are going to lump all things together – we should just ban driving in cars because they are related through many other tangents that harm people and families and come at high costs to society at large.

My whole point has been that the government can not tax designer drugs or any illegal drugs therefore it is illegal. It has nothing to do with what is bad and good, etc. Which drug is better than another, etc.

They can not make money off of it…..so spend and make money off of the war against it.

Don’t get me wrong…..I love America, I also strongly disagree with some of the internal laws that enforcing them might actually be more harmful to families than regulating and controlling it for safety. If you are going to use drugs and have a problem with them you are going to do this no matter if they are legal or illegal. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS??? YOU WILL DO THEM NO MATTER WHAT!!!!!! The country WILL NEVER get rid of drugs…EVER!!! The current treatment for drug problems that get out of control because the are not available through legal means is to commit crimes to get to them and current treatment option is to throw these people in jail. Don’t treat the problem just throw them in jail. If someone has a problem using drugs and it effects others around them just throw them in jail, that certainly doesn’t affect the family and those around them now does it. Yes it does…would a family rather have the option of helping their family member out on the outside or have no chance at helping them out once they are in jail?

We can agree to disagree but the current system is not working to stop it. Education will reduce the numbers that use or at least educate people as to the risks and how to do it if you are to use in order to reduce risks. It will not stop it though.

By the way, the largest amount of recreational drug use in the world is alcohol. But that family destroying, car accident murdering, abusive family drug is perfectly legal. But everyone drinks so its ok right. And almost everyone speeds too and that is also ok with a slap on the wrist right.

edit: “…what a later posted to…” should be “…what I later posted to…”.

@Socal Surfer

“… What about it?”

Thought you might be interested in what a later posted to Susan (on this thread, Comment by LDG May 3rd, 2008 at 2:47 pm) and how an apparently unrelated item (yours) is arguably related.

Sorry about that…………must be the drugs….

Anyway, Hard Worker………

From your post above:

“But the punishment on individuals for this crime is extremely harsh and unfair IMO. If an individual wants to take E they are only harming themselves, supposedly….the Law should not throw these people in a jail and lose the key”

Well, not quite………much suffering is endured by the families and loved ones of individuals that suffer from drug addictions. Not to mention, fellow co-workers that have to put up with, or cover for people that are not performing due to them being under the influence.

“Don’t blame the drug- blame the people”

Isn’t that what we’re doing by making drug abuse illegal? I’m with you that we blame the people for drug adictions and not the drug , but I fail to see the advantages to society, in general, of legalizing drugs for recreational purposes. One can argue that the government will create an additional tax base……..however, will the additonal tax incomes outweigh the increased policies of having to police the new drug laws? And where does all this legalization end?………Who will dictate which drugs are “soft” and which ones aren’t? After drugs are legalized, why not legalize sex in public places? Doesn’t harm anyone, so why not?
There is one law (rule) I wish they would abolish though………..Shoes and Shirts Required

Hard Worker……..

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But the punishment on individuals for this crime is extremely harsh and unfair IMO. If an individual wants to take E they are only harming themselves, supposedly….the Law should not throw these people in a jail and lose the key

Don’t blame the drug- blame the people

@LDG,,,,,,,,,,,Yeah I still remember. What about it?

ty LDG

@HWA

friendly assist — A. Housley is at (a/o yesterday):

“We are currently at Coast Guard Island in Alameda California, where the U.S. Coast Guard Cutter Sherman is located.”

–quoted from the article at the head of this thread.

So if we all admit all drugs are bad can we all admit that the only reason some are outlawed and others are not is because the government can’t tax those that they deem illegal?

Or has the government declared that alcohol is the lesser of all the evils so therefore it is legal? It has no medical purpose which is why many are outlawed (even though ecstasy has strong properties deemed useful by psychologists)

Couple of comments from Susan-Az.
Your friend ended up in the hospital from an LSD trip because she had a bad trip? Well she certainly was not among friends. Everyone that takes it will eventually have a bad trip, but its all in your HEAD. If your among friends that walk you out of your mental problems all is well and good and you will probably discover some things about yourself on the way out.

“So in your statement– one doesn’t break in a house to steal LSD– NOPE– Just to have a good old time killing people in cold blood– I am only using this as one example– there are more!”
I could say-well we are going out drinking tonight so we can get in our truck and run full head on into a mother and her three kids killing them all—yee haw! How often does this type of thing happen with alcohol and how often does a Charles Manson come along? No comparison. There are a lot of people taking LSD all over the place all the time and not a Charles Manson since when the late 60’s?

“And because there is a loss of inhibitons while taking ecstasty, don’t think having sex with various partners is not common”
——NOT TRUE!!!!——–This is a popular myth because of the name. Men have a hard time with erections while on “E” and it is nearly impossible to have an orgasm on “E”, and if you do, you can not even tell because your body is already in a 6 hour orgasm. If you have not taken it you have a hard time commenting on it other then what the UN or what Uncle Sam tells you. And we all know they never lie.

“STD’s is caused by many other factors than alcohol– But this is not defending alcohol–” True, true, but drinking leads to more unprotected, promiscuous sex and therefore is one of, if not the leading causes of the spreading of STD’s in America.

Ecstasy- MDMA ( 3,4-methylenedioxy-N-methamphetamine )— liver damage (yes your right but excessive drinking will do the same, a lot of things can cause liver damage, being a painter, etc), irregular heartbeat (while on it it is increased-I am 10 years since my last roll and I have a normal healthy heart beat), decreased memory and learning ability (This is complete and utter bologna-maybe a day or two after a binge this is true (people blackout after drinking to much-what did i do last night, never the case with “E”), but certainly not the case after that-I know doctors who took the drug in excessive amounts before entering medical school and did fine with their memory…..after my time with the drug I actually did better at the major university I attended, maybe i focused more, but I made the Deans and Presidents lists every semester for 2 years after I finished my time with E, graduated magna cum laude, -I’m 10 years out from my last “E” experience so I guess my liver may be failing me soon but my memory is all here and I don’t have any learning disabilities from it)

I have done a little more research since I opened my big mouth on here. I am waiting for all these things they (scientists and the like) say will happen to someone like myself. Nothing yet- I will just stay in shape as best I can. Excessive use of E effects seratonin levels the most. I sleep the same now as I always have so whatever. I am just speaking from someone who has played. But the punishment on individuals for this crime is extremely harsh and unfair IMO. If an individual wants to take E they are only harming themselves, supposedly….the Law should not throw these people in a jail and lose the key. It is just terrible. Punishment does not fit the crime-Ridiculous and overkill. When your done with this drug your done with it.

The Manson Murders- Wow- Yeah they took acid, they took other things also. They were crazy MO FOs. This was hyped up by the media because of who and how they struck and the way they acted once they got in the news cycle. People murder and kill all the time on alcohol. If someone is sick they are sick. If there was no LSD these people would have found something else to lure their followers to do the despicable deeds that they did. Don’t blame the drug- blame the people. I never killed anyone and certainly the thought never crossed my mind while taking the same thing these people took. It certainly changes your perception of things for a while.

Thats enough. Adam are you on the coast somewhere doing this on site reporting? Where at?

@Susan-AZ

right then, more later.

Go well!

LDG-

grrr!!!

I need to go– Danielle and Ken are waiting for me!!!

Will come back later this evening!!!! I am going to have Danielle read some of these posts!

oyasumi nasai—

xxxx

@Susan-AZ

re: Socal’s post:

it was from the Where/What thread. Here is a REPOSTING:

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Comment by Socal Surfer
May 1st, 2008 at 10:30 am
saw this on the North Korean news agency website. I wonder what else they will be studying?I love reading that website site as the english and grammar that is used is like right out of 1950’s Soviet Union anti U.S. imperialist warmonger propaganda. Its always good for a laugh or two.
Venezuelan Delegation Here
Pyongyang, April 30 (KCNA) — A Venezuelan delegation for the study of the Juche idea led by Susana Maristany arrived here on Wednesday.

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Ask if she went to Kunsan AB on assignment or TDY. you can mail to me about it to keep that side discussion private, please.
_________________________________________________________________

Most definitely–

@Susan-AZ

re: connections — think bigger, and include something from all 4 things on my list.

re: FRP (fibre-glass) — mostly it is for ease of building and low radar signature. Anything that small sinks if you cap off 17 lbs of TNT+Incindiary in the bottom of the hull. **not part of the connection**

I have to go read socal’s story– on the Venezuelan thread?

first guess here– because the subs are made of fiber glass–easy to set on fire and or sink and given the drugs once gone bye bye in the bottom of the ocean, the thinking is– you can’t charge me with anything– (this is for explosives and or anything on these subs)–

@Susan-AZ

“…she reiterated almost the exact as you wrote!” — nice to know I am not completely behind the times.

((grins))

Ask if she went to Kunsan AB on assignment or TDY. you can mail to me about it to keep that side discussion private, please.

@Susan-AZ

“go for it!!”

What do these things have in common?

*Socal’s post about Venezuelan visits to N.Korea.

*various posters (this thread and previous one) talking about semi-submersible vehicles, and how they are not trivial to build.

*Michelle Malkin linking to A. Housley’s “Drug Subs” story thread.

*the FARC.

Personal note– she is a cutie! I heard about her intel training last night– she was at Good Fellow in San Angelo-

BTW- Your email about what you said about Top Secret– accurate– she reiterated almost the exact as you wrote!

@Socal Surfer, if you happen to still be about…

You remember that KCNA story you posted a thread or two back about the Venezuelan delegation to N. Korea?

go for it!!

I am interested– I have a half hour here– we just decided to go for a ride– Danielle is packing a cooler right now– We are going to stop outside of Prescott where there are some hiking trails– Ken is going to have to do a bit of walking today– it is good for him as well!

@Susan-AZ

personal note: glad you had such a good time together. My best to o-jousama (your honored daughter) as always.

@Susan-AZ

“Some very entertaining comments on this thread…”

and the previous one as well. Care to do a bit of ‘connecting the dots’ in a way that actually applies to this current thread’s topic?

oh good–

My daughter is here so I am in and out– She cooked a great meal last night – we are still full- We are thinking about taking a drive here soon– To maybe Prescott and do some walking– work off this meal!

Some very entertaining comments on this thread- hai

@Susan-AZ

yes ma’am

Yes– my elite skills are now on the market!!!

I have to concentrate on your posts– too much for me to handle–

Hi LDG–

Are you still around?

Adam is partly right. What adam doesnt know is that there are alot of 4th gen malibu families that arent rich. that work hard to live in a smog free place. They usually are contractors or plumbers that had the homes handed down from family to family member. Nobody will do a movie or tv show about those families. But, the TV families arent true malibu types. They are the ones that give mailbu a bad name. Pepperdine still blows. Atleast they finally have a good mens volleyball team. Even though that is a “girls” sport.

@Susan-AZ

yours of 1:31am — does that imply your elite Assistant skills are now on the market to the highest bidder? ((panicked look)) Such power is too dangerous to be allowed to fall into the hands of potential rivals, you know…

((grin))

good morning Susan-AZ, good morning All.

Patty–

You can have my job as Personal Assistant–

Adam bypassed my whole article about the subs and drugs in the preceding post after Barry left the big clue– After I went on a internet search– so I figure my work as Personal Assistant is no longer needed–

A lot of the questions asked about the subs were in that article– LOL

oops– my post went through before I even finished it—

I was writin-my first drug I took was not even caused by alcohol– I hated alcohol when I was younger– So given the time, the 60’s, I tried drugs– and none of it was ever alcohol related– none of it!

You think Charlie Manson and his cute family had a glass of wine and smoked a joint when they decided to massacre Tate and friends– they were higher than a kite on LSD–
… Van Houten was under heavy influence of drugs when the LaBianca murders occurred. “All that LSD changed the chemistry of her brain…”

So in your statement– one doesn’t break in a house to steal LSD– NOPE– Just to have a good old time killing people in cold blood– I am only using this as one example– there are more!

Ecstasy- MDMA ( 3,4-methylenedioxy-N-methamphetamine )— liver damage, irregular heartbeat, decreased memory and learning ability.

What are its long-term effects?
Repeated use of Ecstasy ultimately may damage the cells that produce serotonin, which has an important role in the regulation of mood, appetite, pain, learning and memory. There already is research suggesting Ecstasy use can disrupt or interfere with memory.

And because there is a loss of inhibitons while taking ecstasty, don’t think having sex with various partners is not common–

STD’s is caused by many other factors than alcohol– But this is not defending alcohol–

It is all bad– and depending on the degree of abusing a drug/or whatever—

Been there too and done it too– too many times!

Socal……….*giggling*

see Comment by Adam Housley
May 3rd, 2008 at 12:07 pm

~Patty (Adam’s 3rd in line assistant)

*LOL*

To Hard Working America–

I am not sure where you are getting your facts on the LSD and ecstasy– LSD and ecstasy are basically chemicals– Me coming in from the 60’s saw many people trip out on the LSD– I tried it and I sure did not like the experience– a good friend of mine flipped out– She ended up in the hospital– Ecstasy has caused deaths– and so on and so on– Young people get curious and try all sorts of stuff to be cool and sometimes the end results are death or a very bad trip! So I don’t think these should ever be legalized– Who is to say if one survives one experience the next will too!

Alcohol is bad also if abused– My first drug

Point is– it is all bad– Personally, I don’t have a problem with weed–

But there is no guessing who can handle a drug or alcohol as to who can’t–

[...] by thebosun on May 3, 2008 Drug Subs : [...]

The first sub was captured last year off the coast of Florida. I agree with the comment about just sinking them on site. That would get the word back to south america that these are suicide missions.

Why don’t they just sink them? A couple of rounds from the .50 and partys over.
Someone else got it right, we have turned into a country of politicaly correct cowards and girlie- men and all of our enemies see it too. We are so afraid what the rest of the world might say about us, screw them we are a soverign country last time I checked.
And those of you who want to legalize hard drugs, it is obvious none of you have ever been in countries that have legalized them.

re “we hated pepperdine because the students were very stuck up ”
ohhhhh that had to make adam laugh!
it did me!!!
thanks Socal for the morning grin!!

Adam,

I’m not going to bust your chops too much because I know you have all these posts to read and you try to respond accordingly but I think you may have read my post too quickly. For that my friend, much respect.

I know it may be hard to believe that someone that has my opinions and experiences doesn’t drink this so called “punch”. All you have is my word….I DO NOT drink. But I will post snippets of your response and reply accordingly.

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——”First, while some of the lesser drugs that you listed (less harmful than alcohol as you put it) may seem to be ok, I have seen friends and others messed up on the stuff”.——-

Which drugs? Are they ruined? Of course they mess you up when your on them but so does alcohol. Did they get in a car and drive and kill a family or a mother going home to pick up her kids? This happens with alcohol all the time because alcohol makes you lose your mind, senses, clear thinking and inhibitions. You do things you would never do. Alcohol is one of biggest causes of the spread of STD’s. Look up the facts for this if you don’t believe me. When someone takes mushrooms they are NOT going to drive or even dream of having sex. Most know better and would rather sit and look at the world around them-you don’t even want to move from where you ARE. Ecstasy is a whole different ball game. If you haven’t taken it you won’t understand but the intoxication is NOT like alcohol. There is very much a clarity and clear thinking if it is straight up MDMA. You know what you can and can not do and your limits are very clear to you, VERY different than being drunk. Your not wanting to have sex and spreading STD’s (popular misconception from those who have never done it)

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——-”These same drugs also open the door for so many other crimes.”——-

I will call these the acceptable drugs (ecstasy, lsd, magic mushrooms, weed). The reason why these drugs lead to other crimes is not because of the drug itself. Its because of the people that deal them are part of an underground element because the government has made them illegal. Legalize these drugs I listed and they don’t lead to crime. Nobody breaks into a house or steals a car for ecstasy, lsd, magic mushrooms, or weed. You like the government are getting them all mixed up with the unacceptable ones -meth-crack-heroin-cocaine. There is such a big difference its not even comparable. Its like Pepsi vs. Gatoraid not Pepsi vs Starbucks Coffee.

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——-”Alcohol, while addictive, cannot be put in the same category. It is easy to lump alcohol because it is essentially the same, what you have lumped varies greatly.”——–

Not really sure what your trying to say here but I think what your saying about alcohol is exactly along the same lines as what I am saying about ecstasy, lsd, magic mushrooms, or weed VERSES -meth-crack-heroin-cocaine. EXCEPT I have never heard of anyone spreading STDs, getting into a car and killing themselves or others, going home and beating their wife and/or children, getting into a bar fight on the “acceptable” drugs. Just doesn’t happen, your not in that state of mind. Other drugs yes. Happens all the time with alcohol. Alcohol is by far worse on the population than the acceptable drugs but they are illegal.

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——-”Also, those drugs are in some cases manufactured and can easily be made incorrectly, with more serious circumstance than bad beer.”——–

Your exactly right. I made that point in my first long post to you. If they were regulated and controlled we would not have that problem. They would become even safer and again way less harmful than alcohol.

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———”They also lead to more serious drug addictions.”———–

Most people take drugs their first time because they are drunk. Addictive drugs lead to drug additions. The ones I listed are not physically addictive.

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———”Yes, alcohol can be bad, but it can also be taught casually to most.”——-

I’m going to forget that you said this. This is just accepted behavior. Drink a little bit casually so you can have a good time. Why not have a good time without alcohol? Because most casual drinkers have a bigger problem with alcohol than they would ever admit. They have to have it in casual situations so its ok because it is casual. Alcohol is poison—-plain and simple.

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———”I am not calling you anything, but I still think you drank some punch before the last post.”———-

Like I said I don’t drink. I know it is hard to understand or comprehend that someone who doesn’t drink might have the opinions that I do. That someone could actually be a productive member of society with drug experiences and not be a full blow alcoholic. I don’t even do drugs anymore because I don’t have time. But I have been there and done that and kept on trucking. There are MORE of me than anybody would believe. There is clearly a misconception about different drugs and what they do driven by the government and the over hyped media about what they are doing to people. Its nonsense, its when the unacceptable drugs get involved that you have problems. Look at the scientific research on the acceptable drugs. See what it says. Things are different than the opinions of those who don’t know and lump it all together as one thing. It clearly is not, and that is unfortunate it is treated as so.

Thanks for replying-this is a good conversation and should be understood better by those who don’t know but have strong opinions not facts about this. Take Care Housley. Please research what I am saying, don’t assume all drugs are the same because Uncle Sam told you they were. They are not. The real difference is what can be taxed and what can not be.

One last point….They should be busting those subs, not because of the drugs but because of what else could be going on…aka terrorist and such things. I’m only arguing about the misconception of different drugs. AND everything and anything can be abused……..

Show me some video of sinking them and I’ll feel better.

we hated pepperdine because the students were very stuck up when I grew up there and Pepperdine wouldnt let the locals use the pool unless you forked over an arm and a leg. Hey, when your a kid you gotta take the piss out of someone! Like the Vals!,,,,,,,,,I remember my sister’s surfer friends hated guys from the valley surfing at their spots.

I also had a shag pad behind La Salsa. I swear, that was the best location . You had the Malibu Inn, Surfrider beach nearby and C&P’s practically next door! ……..Hell no, Im no Pepper head! As akid we usedto really hate Pepperdine. I think all of the people who grew up there did in the 70’s 80’s and 90’s.My sister got thrown out of Pepperdine for dumping beer in the trash. Back when they were 100% dry campus. I went to a another local university.
Malibu Antibes, Boy, I know that place!,lol. I heard that place is for sale right now.

My run in with illegals and drug runners on the tough beaches of Malibu:
15yrs ago, i was in Malibu on the beach Behind “La Salsa” at 11pm chillaxing” on the hammock at a friends party. When a boatload of illegals with bricks of “something”im guessing drugs because it looked like the things you see in the movies. WEll, they ground the boat on the beach and 4 illegals run past me, and 5 other guys come out of nowhere and grab the bricks and run back upto PCH. I remember, a bunch of people called the sherrif and life guards. But it took them 30 minutes to show up. By then the boat was gone and all of the illegals amd bricks. It was so blatent and I could not believe it.

If we didnt have Prohibition. We would never have had NASCAR!
Well, I’m waiting for someone to stat NADSAR: North American Drug Sub Association of Racing !.ITS DRUGTASTIC!

HOLY CRAP! This is unbelievable. I would be willing to bet that this method of transportation has already been used to smuggle equipment or people into the United States. Pffft. Not at war my ASS!

I wish I knew the answer to end drug use. I don’t. And, I don’t support legalization. It appears to be an easy solution…….

Legalization would bring along a whole set of other problems. Would legalization stop under-aged individuals from using? NO. So, would there still not be a market for the ‘drug dealer’?

If ALL drugs are not legalized, then the outlawed drugs replace the current market items and the problem continues.

And, to those who question why the Constitution allows for laws to regulate drug use……it is based upon the good of the people as a whole.

US Constitution – Article I, Legislative Branch:
To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.