Dang you are a hard guy to debate with….you knock me out with content. I do see where you are coming from, but on this issue I have always been black or white. I have friends who make your same argument, just much less detailed. You got it right about my opinions, I am up front about everything. You seem the same way.

Adam

Adam, I know it is the law. And I hear ya man.
I’m just saying the law when enforced as it is currently set up is potentially ruining more lives than these people did, because the law is going about this the wrong way and not improving the situation what-so-ever. These people made their choice and now they have to face the music. So did the people that took the drugs that died. They made their choice and paid dearly for it. Did the law prevent it? Nope.

I know you don’t agree with me…it’s cool…we cool….much respect.

SO Two People Died. Over how long of a period of time was this college ring going on?
–Remember one was uneducated about it and mixed her drugs with alcohol. I didn’t know about the other one. Same type situation I assume.

–Regulation and education can end these kinds of UN-NEEDED deaths.
–Keep pushing it underground and don’t talk about it- I tend to think the law turning its back on this has a direct effect on someone’s lack of education about the subject. Just my opinion.

I did a little Googling of you on the net (hope you don’t mind). I see your a wine affectionado (unless that’s bull). If thats true more power to you but I understand your stance on the whole alcohol thing better and why you defend it. Free country man (getting less free all the time) so you should certainly be allowed to like it and partake of it.

So 75 or 95 people, can’t remember, were involved with distribution at that college.
Lets take 75 or 95 random bars/pubs, whatever. Multiply that by the amount of time this drug operation was going on. How many patrons of the Bars/Pubs over that amount of time ended up with DUI’s, getting in a fatal crash, killing someone else, minor accidents, beating spouses, etc. Who knows, I’m just saying. I bet its worse though.

If you have time for a read you should check this book out.
http://www.amazon.com/Altered-State-Story-Ecstasy-Culture/dp/1852426047
Or you can just Google “Altered-State-Story-Ecstasy-Culture” if you don’t trust that link.

NO I’M NOT A HIPPIE!! And I’m not a Demoncrat. But I am a youth of this. There are millions and millions of us all over the world, and we are all grown up and drug free and successful (Maybe not Adam successful, but working on it). It has some very interesting points and might open your eyes up about a lot of this. Some would say it’s about protecting alcohol as the one LEGAL mind altering recreational drug and how these laws are really about $$$$ for them. Good ole dollar, nothing wrong with making a dollar but imposing on people’s freedoms to make $$$$ is BAD. With other markets alcohol would lose its grip. I think it might be the alcohol cartels (much like OPEC), that aid in creating this current dire situation and pushing on politicians to pass unproven laws that burden our society. Maybe thats balogne and a just a conspiracy theory. I’m not a conspiracy theorist- just like to look at everything from as many points as possible to form my opinions. Sounds like a good point though. Who knows I might die young as a result of being a guinea pig of this movement. I might get hit by a bus tomorrow too. Time will tell.

Ever been to Ibiza Adam? No I’m not gay either…..
I’m thinking about going over there this summer and see what all the fuss is about before it is completely gone. Some interesting things going on over there. Some weird stats about things there also. Will be interesting to watch what happens over there in the next couple of years.
The rules are changing around the world, where will the next Ibiza be? Or where is the next counter culture movement happening? In Japan I have heard, perhaps in Croatia also. I wouldn’t know, just an interesting topic.

Interesting regulations coming on board in Amsterdam also.

Adam I appreciate this conversation. I really appreciate you responding to me. Glad I found your blog. Seems I understand where you are coming from way more than you can see where I am coming from. Thats totally cool and I know I won’t convince you otherwise (not trying to), just lending a different opinion on it from someone who has seen other sides of it than those portrayed on TV and blown way way out of whack. IMO. You seem to be pretty cut and dried-best way to be. People know where you stand.

Thanks
HWA

Where are you headed and when are you coming back?

Adam

I read about twisters affecting the carolina’s? Are you ok?

when you are able to post again– how about a trivia question on the sub thread with four or five comments?

anyone?

I hope you had a nice day with the two moms– Did you get them gadgets? And if so, which ones?

xxx

Adam

Kudos– to that!

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Avi– looking forward to the pictures!

Max– yeah– get the internet fixed!!

Marie and Sunshine— Are you girls ok? Fires in Florida?

Get it fixed. AND…..everyone…..well mom’s, including mine whom I saw and Tamera’s…..HAPPY MOTHERS DAY!

Adam

Two actually died. But how many lives did it hurt? How many kids got into other stuff? HWA….They made the choice and they knowingly violated the law. We can argue all we want about what drugs are bad and what drugs are “harmless”, but fact is…they knew the rule, the broke the rule…they pay the price. Dumb law or not.

Adam

Susan: face off is like like the scrimmage in Football.

p.s. Susan ill take pics

How many people died as a result of the drugs this group was selling?
One???????? And it was because of alcohol also.

During that same period of time how many people died in a Toyota that a dealer sold to them????

How many lives and families did this group of people ruin because of the drugs?????
Prove it!

How many lives and families did the government ruin through the enforcement of their stupid laws?????
ALL 95 OF THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!

HOW DOES THIS MAKE SENSE??????

Yeah, its much better for the government to throw these people in jail THAN to let them play out their course and eventually move on to become productive, tax paying members of society. This happens all the time and these people move on, believe me. They act like this is something special they broke up. Give me a break. What a JOKE!!!!!

Instead lets ruin these people lives, and make them a burden to society for the rest of their lives through jail rehabilitation. We all know how well that joke works. Good Job War On Drugs.

This makes me sick!!!!!!

Do I get a cut??

Adam

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Cut? You get more than that- I am drafting up the paperwork to submit to my attorney which states if anything happens to me the care of Ken should be carried on by Adam Housley, Max, and LDG.

Think how smart Ken would get hanging around you three! LOL

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Every mom– and Mrs. Housley:

I hope your day is going well!!!!

xxxxx

yah i know… 2 years ago when i was at camp our overnight trip got nixed thanks to Hezbollah….. we leave tonight at 2am and then go to the Northern Galile and hike….. hopefully i wont here bombs …. thanks

That is wonderful to hear about. I am sure you are enjoying seeing the Stanley Cup matches; I certainly am. Have you a favorite player or team still in the playoffs?

@Susan-AZ

no worries, yes I know what he was talking about. ((grin)) Not that any vaguely intelligent hockey coach would let *me* ever take a face off…

@Avi

I have said this before, but it bears repeating… You pick *all* the best times to take trips out to where all heck might break loose.

You be safe, please.

Now fighting in Lebenon has moved to the Mountains — North and Semi South— iM GOING north tonight for our trip…. northern galile…..

Happy Mohters Day.

and to KC and hubby - Happy Anniversary

Happy Mother’s Day everyone!

and again, my heart goes out ot those affected by the storms.

terrorist state —- Hamas^2

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LDG–

I asked Ken what he meant by this - face offs? He said if you know anything about hockey, you would know~

May 11, 2008, 9:22 AM (GMT+02:00)

DEBKAfile’s military sources report that three weeks before Hizballah seized western Beirut, the Shiite terrorist group took delivery of 35 fast speedboats for use with explosives from Iran. The craft can threaten US Sixth Fleet and Israel Navy shipping close to Lebanese shores, reach Israel’s Haifa and Ashdod Mediterranean ports and raid its coastal oil installations.

The speedboats were tailor-made for Hizballah by Iranian Revolutionary Guards shipyards at Bandar Abbas as the only marine terror fleet operating in Mediterranean waters. Our military sources report the boats are capable of carrying chemical, biological and radiological weapons systems.

They were delivered in mid-April by an Iranian freighter at the Syrian port of Latakia and trucked to Naimah port south of Beirut. There they were hidden in the subterranean hangars belonging to Ahmed Jibril, head of the Palestinian Liberation Front-General Command. Today, the PLF-GC is financed and directed by the Revolutionary Guards. The hangars were constructed in the seventies by East Germany engineers with a protected Mediterranean anchorage and made virtually impenetrable by sea or air.