State Sponsor of Terror?
He has not yet been listed as an official ‘State Sponsor of Terrorism,’ and according to my sources, it looks like the Bush Administration will not officially designate Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez as such. This is a story we have followed now for nearly a year and we have taken three extended trips to the region in that time.
In response to the possibility, Chavez said recently that the United States “did not get the satisfaction” of including Venezuela in the list of countries sponsor of terrorism. Chávez disregarded the US State Department report on global terrorism and now according to reports, US Intelligence officials believe computer files tie Chávez to the rebel Colombian Revolutionary Armed Forces (FARC). This has been the claim by Colombian leaders since our trip there 6 weeks ago. According to reports, the files depict meetings between guerrilla commanders and Venezuelan government authorities, including Chávez himself. The Colombians told us that the files were taken from the guerrillas following a raid to one of their camps.
The files indicate that Venezuela apparently made concrete offers to help arm the FARC, according to the Wall Street Journal and also the use of one of its ports to receive arms shipments. In another document, a high-ranking official asked FARC to train Venezuelan military in guerrilla warfare. Chavez recently said about the claims “The United States did not get the satisfaction of including Venezuela in the list of countries sponsor of terrorism. But they will keep working on that.” Along with Venezuela, Iran, Chávez’s allied country, remains the “most active” state sponsor of terrorism, as it tries to build up regional influence and expel the United States from the Middle East, according to the report, which labeled Iran as “the most outstanding” country sponsor of terrorism.
Wow, maybe the Bush will ‘get the satisfaction of including Venezuela in the list of countries sponsor of terrorism’ real soon if that’s all verified.
almost sounds like chav’s ego was hurt that he wasnt included. poor baby (insert sarcasim now!)
Nice pic….
if Bush declares them a terrorist supporter …. will further add to the crisis of oil so it would do more harm than good at the moment.
off subject….
am i just nuts? tell me i was raised right. I know this wont be very popular, or atleast if it is, not in the right way.
grrrrrrr
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,354706,00.html
ya know, all the politics and all the stunts that go along with it. whether we agree with bush or not. he is still our president! and deserves respect!
I was taught that way, and still believe it. Do people not realize that bush himself is not the only one behind all the decisions that go on at the white house? We voted congress in, we vote them out if we arent pleased. How can anyone say that it all falls on one man?
What people won’t do for attention, it’s almost enough to make you ill some days. And then we have to wonder what the h*ll is wrong with our kids. well duh, when subjected to this sort of stuff everyday, why wouldnt they be screwed up?
I can’t help but think of turkeys when I see these helium filled balloons.
Adam–
Did you read the article by Stephen Lendman? (possibly related posts) For starters– who is he?
PIC– Hugo’s image of himself! That big!
Susan-
Let me look for it tomorrow, read it, and then get back to you.
Adam
We need some activity on this thread!
Venezuelan’s where are you?
Bush will be written as more correct in history than today. It took decades for Reagan to look so wonderful. Presidential history takes decades to make sense. Remember how Lincoln was treated?
@Kathy in TX
Superb example, Lincoln. The laundry list of complaints against him while in office almost make the current situation pale.
@All
Addenda to our good host’s report above: –Not only have intelligence sources begun to state publically that they believe the data from the FARC computer(s), but the INTERPOL examination of the data confirms it is uncorrupted and unaltered.
and here’s a tie-in for those who have seen the Mexican Drug Gang stories here:
http://www.douglasfarah.com/article/348/a-murder-in-mexico.com
…key points include sourcable linkage between the FARC and the Mexican Cartels.
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INTERPOL’s formal report is due 15.May, just fyi. Here’s the leak that had the info so far:
http://english.eluniversal.com/2008/05/05/en_pol_art_interpol-confirms-au_05A1556571.shtml
LDG-
The problem is…..the administration has decided to go with their information finalized back on December 31st. I know of some congressman who are in hopes they’ll take this new information into consideration, including the attempts to undermine a freely elected ally like Colombia.
Adam
@Adam Housley
re: “The problem is…..the administration has decided to go with their information finalized back on December 31st…”
100% agreement on that being the situation as it stands. Moreover, were it my call to make (and it certainly is *not* for me to make), I am not sure I would put them on the list. A number of the issues that come with any “state sponsor of terror” listing are so dual-edged as to really call into question the benefits of any such declaration. A pure look at the real-politick of the situation is that doing much less than an act of war (like an enforced sea blockade, for example) simply would gain very little for the cost.
Perhaps the best that can be hoped for is to cut off some of the tolleration for the Chavez regime in Europe by extensive publication of this matter. It took years, and a change of heart in Europe, for the Czechs and other players to be willing to begin the process of political intervention in Cuba. With a little luck, it might not take so long in this case.
Things are much cleaner, politically about the choice of standing beside the Uribe government. If the “sell-out-the-Colombians” crowd wins, Chavez gets a lot closer to what he wants. If the U.S. continues to stand in support of the Colombians, there are *lots* of things that can be done to ratchet up the commitment and even a small success at doing that should firm up the backbone of a Peru-Colombia-Panama faction to get some balance back into regional matters.
I trust you have seen the information on the Panama FTA being given the same treatment the Colombia FTA is getting in the U.S. Congress, yes? It seems the Administration is at least still paying lip-service to getting those FTA’s up to a vote. Let us hope that those Congressmen you know of will be able to get some better things going as well.
Thanks, as always, for your time and the details on this.
hm… it ate my link… oh well, delete it and try again
@All
Reminder:
The FARC computer event was first week of March, 2008. So any policy decision made before that, oh say a “December 31st” finalization, is now behind the available information.
Which does bring to mind the specific “December 31st” policy finding or such…
@Adam Housley
…would you have a specific citation you can share regarding the issuing Agency, committee, or such, for that “December 31st” finding?
((goes and checks the old Housley ‘blog archives to see if it seen there, just in case))
LDG-
I didn’t list the findings before, but it basically follows the current game plan in dealing with Venezuela. Problem is….the meddling with Colombia and the support of FARC has become clearer since.
Adam
@Adam Housley
re: yours above, May 10th, 2008 at 12:48 pm, specifically
“Problem is…”
Then all and all… that is a problem, and one best addressed in the halls of power than with the tools thereof. For now. Thank you, and thank you for the clarification.
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((applause))
That pingback you see, just above is from wordpress’ Blog of the Day listing… this one is #70 in the top 100 as of now.
LDG-
Very cool. Do they chose on the actual visits, or how?
Adam
Hugo is a egotistical, paranoid individual who has to manipulate his followers because he has control, to make this world of ours much more to disagree on because he suffers from delusions by using his delusions to distort reality!
He needs to lay off the coca paste and seek help!
Happy Mom’s Day to All of YOU!!!!
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Happy Mother’s Day Back at ya Susan! And to all the other mother’s out there! Enjoy your day!
@Adam Housley
Just a quick query, if you please: Have you a copy of the Lugar report (C. Meacham, staffer, author) of 28.April so that you might have read it in full?
If so, I would be more than interested in a discussion of the contents and attempting to analyse the motivations of the author. It certainly appears germane to your continued coverage of this story to work it over a bit.
If you have not (this I doubt), please advise me and I can provide a source to obtain it conveniently.
LDG-
I have only been briefed on the highlights and got some chunks of it sent my way. Believe it or not, I do not have a full copy. Let me try and get one and go over it in depth. Again, I went with the highlights since I’ve got so much on my plate.
OH….and HAPPY MOTHERS DAY!! I did get to see my mom.
Adam
@Adam Housley
I do look forward to it, when time allows. Here’s the Miami Herald’s mirror of the gpoaccess.gov pdf file of the report:
http://media.miamiherald.com/smedia/2008/04/28/21/PlayingwithFire_FINALPrint_.source.prod_affiliate.56.pdf
My compliments again on keeping this story out in view, what with everything else that goes on.
addenda regarding wordpress ‘blog of the day:
“Do they chose on the actual visits, or how?” — you know, I have never checked. It does give a far wider exposure to a ‘blog once selected, though, so you actually might see an increase visits *after* the listing rather than as a cause. This is one for the web admin to check.
LDG-
Very cool. Do they chose on the actual visits, or how?
Adam
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I bet Max would know!
related posts– Country Reports Terrorism– good link!
I did not know this–
Country Reports on Terrorism
U.S. law requires the Secretary of State to provide Congress, by April 30 of each year, a full and complete report on terrorism with regard to those countries and groups meeting criteria set forth in the legislation. This annual report is entitled Country Reports on Terrorism. Beginning with the report for 2004, it replaced the previously published Patterns of Global Terrorism.
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(I wasn’t aware of the month and day)
that link has some good info!
Kathy in Texas—
did the family cook for you for a change? Hope you had a good day!
Kathy in Texas left a very nice message written today- or yesterday- May 11th, on her blog–
Chavez’ weekly radio address, this week…
It is standard procedure for a nationalist strongman to rally the masses by constantly claiming an exterior threat is poised to destroy
his governmentthe glorious homeland, and it seems it was time for a bit more beating of the war drums this week:quoting an AFP source, via bbart
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080511214731.pjs027w6&show_article=1
key point: Chavez claims (again) that Colombia (as a U.S. stooge) is to provoke a war with Venezuela. The latest version includes rearming Colombian Paramilitaries to act as the first wave of the attack… un huh, yea, sure.
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And just in case he had not offended enough leaders of other countries, he also included in this round a volley of insults to Chancellor Merkel and the government of Germany.
from Reuters, uncommonly making Chavez look bad:
http://www.reuters.com/article/wtMostRead/idUSN1152289820080512
key point: Merkel’s government had called upon South American leaders to distance themselves from Chavez last week.
What else do this country need in order to do it? of course, Chavez is a Terrorist! he has links and friendship with all the terrorists in the world. And he loves Obama……..
He hates the USA much more than he loves his own country. That is his main preocupation, hate hate and more hate.
Even Uranium for FARC!
And now he is messing with German Chancellor Merkel!
Chavez… ¿Por qué no te Callas?
Welcome back Alfredo, been awhile.
http://www.11abril.com/index/especiales/CasoRaulReyesFarc/Videos.html#LuciaMorett
Here all the videos, with evidence of Chavez FARC links.
spanish from colombia and Venezuela.
Hi Everybody, very busy, work work and more work, teaching voice technique in the twin cities area.
But loving this country with all my heart!, many Americans do not know how great to be here is, an instead of being grateful and see the good, they focus in the worst to attack America, they hate their land!
Imagine a First Lady who has never been proud of being an American!!! Just does not deserve to have that title!
Go Mc Cain!
Alfredo-
I also welcome you back to the blog, it has been too long. Keep the updates coming and glad you are here and well.
Adam
Alfredo–
buenas tardes! y me da gusto de ver tu nombre otra vez-
Adam, Susan, Patty, thank you, it is important to Venezuelan people to continue informing and giving more links, The Sao Paulo Forum (Far Left Wing) is working all over the continent supporting terrorism, Chavez and the FARC. non stop!
America must know what happens there.
This is the link to sign the petition so that Chavez coud be brought to Justice for terrorism, and Human rights violations.
http://www.petitiononline.com/hv3c2007/petition-sign.html
4314 signatures and we need many more.
I’m glad I’m not up in the top of the government to make decisions about what to do with folks like Chavez. They are coming at us from all sides. Pretty wild times. I’d just hit the button and suffer the consequences.
Adam, remember the ping back question above?
Here’s how it gets decided… http://botd.wordpress.com/about/
@Patty
Thank you for the assist (about the WordPress BOTD)!
@All
INTERPOL rolls out the official report on the computer files today, just a reminder.
To the young Marine who wants to wear his “dress blues” to his school’s graduation: As a former Marine I have to ask why? Do you want to impress the girls; the boys on the football team? Were you issued your dress blues? Unless you are a “sea going Marine” you were not…….Wear the cap and gown of the school….real Marines do not show off…we are the “few, the proud, the Marines,” we do not need “boots” who are individualists . You will not need your “blues” in Iraq……
Jack Mann (USMC Ret.)
hm… looks like that one ((points up one post)) got misfiled.
…and here comes the official report:
AP NewsAlert
May 15 12:52 PM US/Eastern
BOGOTA, Colombia (AP) - Security officials say Interpol will certify Colombia did not tamper with rebel computer files
AP NewsAlert
May 15 01:52 PM US/Eastern
BOGOTA, Colombia (AP) - Interpol: No evidence Colombia tampered with files on seized rebel computers
AP NewsAlert
May 15 01:56 PM US/Eastern
BOGOTA, Colombia (AP) - Interpol: Colombia didn’t always follow internationally accepted methods in handling computers
…and here’s the wrap-up:
http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2008May15/0,4670,ColombiaRebelComputers,00.html
Key point: The computer files were just what the Colombian government has said they were, as far as origin and data content.
LDG-
I got this from a couple of sources, but didn’t get it until now because of my live reports on law enforcement technology. I will write a new thread now. I’ll post it in a bit. Big News!
Adam